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	<title>Comments on: Team chess for fun and team chess for blood</title>
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		<title>By: elizabeth vicary</title>
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		<dc:creator>elizabeth vicary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, Arne! 

I think you are right in spirit, at least. The USCL is historically unparalleled (Chicago? not even close) in its prominence and national scope. The US Amateur team tournaments are terrific fun and historic events, but they aren&#039;t leagues, per se.  

Elizabeth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Arne! </p>
<p>I think you are right in spirit, at least. The USCL is historically unparalleled (Chicago? not even close) in its prominence and national scope. The US Amateur team tournaments are terrific fun and historic events, but they aren&#8217;t leagues, per se.  </p>
<p>Elizabeth</p>
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		<title>By: guitarspider</title>
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		<dc:creator>guitarspider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ CALDaniel: That&#039;s a bit harsh, isn&#039;t it? And i think if you want to describe the state of chess in a country it&#039;s fair to look at how many players play the game, the number of clubs and how many good pros this country produces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ CALDaniel: That&#8217;s a bit harsh, isn&#8217;t it? And i think if you want to describe the state of chess in a country it&#8217;s fair to look at how many players play the game, the number of clubs and how many good pros this country produces.</p>
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		<title>By: test</title>
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		<dc:creator>test</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edit: strike that. ;) The team would matter even less. (Was thinking of being forced to play a draw in better position.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edit: strike that. <img src='http://www.chessvibes.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  The team would matter even less. (Was thinking of being forced to play a draw in better position.)</p>
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		<title>By: test</title>
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		<dc:creator>test</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Counting board points instead of match points would mitigate these issues a lot wouldn&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Counting board points instead of match points would mitigate these issues a lot wouldn&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: Arne Moll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arne Moll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JF, I agree completely with your description of an ideal team match, and I don&#039;t think we disagree at all! It&#039;s just that fun and blood can&#039;t &lt;em&gt;always&lt;/em&gt; be combined, especially not when official stuff like rating is involved, hence the title of my article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JF, I agree completely with your description of an ideal team match, and I don&#8217;t think we disagree at all! It&#8217;s just that fun and blood can&#8217;t <em>always</em> be combined, especially not when official stuff like rating is involved, hence the title of my article.</p>
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		<title>By: JF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with the reasoning in this article. 

First of all, I think that the problem is not that big. I have been a team captain for a few years now and I only &#039;forced&#039; (he is allowed to decline) a player to draw once. As a team player, I have seen this not that often either, and maybe twice in my own games. And if this happens, I will act according my team captain&#039;s wishes. After all, I committed myself to a team and this implicates that team interests prevail.

Which brings me to the most important thing: a team match is simply great. It already starts with the preparation. Who are our possible opponents? Can we expect a certain line-up? Oh, mr. X is in their team. This guy always plays the Kings Indian. Well, in my team, Charlie is only 6th on rating but when he plays against the Kings Indian, he is worth 150 points more. So Charlie plays at the first board. Well, Danny has been on the second board for the last three games and I think his opponent will be preparing for him. Danny hates opening preparation, so therefore I will put him on four this time. 

After a travel full of fun, we arrive at our opponent&#039;s club house. It is a nice atmosphere and I can chat with some old friends. During the game, I ask my team captain about his opinion on the other games. I have the choice between a solid move and a slightly risky attacking move. Because our prospects are not that positive, I decide on the latter. Otherwise I probably would have chosen for the solid continuation, but I act in interest of the team. So the team influences my play and maybe my rating, but a tournament standing could have influenced it as well. Some may find this horrible, but I like a team match because of these decisions. This exactly is the difference between a team game and an individual game. When my team wins, I am happy (even when I lost myself - although sometimes this can be a bit difficult). On the other hand, decisive wins from a totally lost position are my personal best memories of chess.

When the match is over, we have dinner and some drinks in town. For me, the social impact of a match is important. I am enjoying my student life quite intensive and as a consequence I spend little time on studying and playing chess. Team matches give me the opportunity to keep in contact with my old friends and to see them regularly. The special circumstances in team matches connect me to my fellow players and that is how they became friends. I doubt that I would still be a chess player without these team matches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with the reasoning in this article. </p>
<p>First of all, I think that the problem is not that big. I have been a team captain for a few years now and I only &#8216;forced&#8217; (he is allowed to decline) a player to draw once. As a team player, I have seen this not that often either, and maybe twice in my own games. And if this happens, I will act according my team captain&#8217;s wishes. After all, I committed myself to a team and this implicates that team interests prevail.</p>
<p>Which brings me to the most important thing: a team match is simply great. It already starts with the preparation. Who are our possible opponents? Can we expect a certain line-up? Oh, mr. X is in their team. This guy always plays the Kings Indian. Well, in my team, Charlie is only 6th on rating but when he plays against the Kings Indian, he is worth 150 points more. So Charlie plays at the first board. Well, Danny has been on the second board for the last three games and I think his opponent will be preparing for him. Danny hates opening preparation, so therefore I will put him on four this time. </p>
<p>After a travel full of fun, we arrive at our opponent&#8217;s club house. It is a nice atmosphere and I can chat with some old friends. During the game, I ask my team captain about his opinion on the other games. I have the choice between a solid move and a slightly risky attacking move. Because our prospects are not that positive, I decide on the latter. Otherwise I probably would have chosen for the solid continuation, but I act in interest of the team. So the team influences my play and maybe my rating, but a tournament standing could have influenced it as well. Some may find this horrible, but I like a team match because of these decisions. This exactly is the difference between a team game and an individual game. When my team wins, I am happy (even when I lost myself &#8211; although sometimes this can be a bit difficult). On the other hand, decisive wins from a totally lost position are my personal best memories of chess.</p>
<p>When the match is over, we have dinner and some drinks in town. For me, the social impact of a match is important. I am enjoying my student life quite intensive and as a consequence I spend little time on studying and playing chess. Team matches give me the opportunity to keep in contact with my old friends and to see them regularly. The special circumstances in team matches connect me to my fellow players and that is how they became friends. I doubt that I would still be a chess player without these team matches.</p>
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		<title>By: CAL&#124;Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>CAL&#124;Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what guitarspider is trying to say is that its hard for players to make a living off of chess in the US. True but chess does not suffer here just cause bums can&#039;t make millions playing a game instead of working a job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what guitarspider is trying to say is that its hard for players to make a living off of chess in the US. True but chess does not suffer here just cause bums can&#8217;t make millions playing a game instead of working a job.</p>
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		<title>By: guitarspider</title>
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		<dc:creator>guitarspider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole team competition in the US issue does detract from the point. Even if there are amateur events, there was no professional league. Which speaks volumes about the chess situation in the United States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole team competition in the US issue does detract from the point. Even if there are amateur events, there was no professional league. Which speaks volumes about the chess situation in the United States.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about an Elo rating for the team as a unit ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about an Elo rating for the team as a unit ?</p>
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		<title>By: Daaim Shabazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daaim Shabazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 04:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may have been mentioned, but  the author is wrong about team chess competitions in the U.S. Team competitions have been held in the U.S. for decades. The most popular is the Amateur Team Championships that are held in four regions of the country. There is also the Pan-Am Intercollegiate Team Tournament which has been in existance since the 40s I believe. There are many industrial and banker&#039;s leagues in the U.S., not to mention hundreds of scholastic team events.

Perhaps there is an assumption (primarily out of Europe)  that there is not much of a chess culture in the U.S., but there is quite a history of events and people are typically passionate about team chess and there are all types of gimmicks including best team name... costumes are outrageous as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may have been mentioned, but  the author is wrong about team chess competitions in the U.S. Team competitions have been held in the U.S. for decades. The most popular is the Amateur Team Championships that are held in four regions of the country. There is also the Pan-Am Intercollegiate Team Tournament which has been in existance since the 40s I believe. There are many industrial and banker&#8217;s leagues in the U.S., not to mention hundreds of scholastic team events.</p>
<p>Perhaps there is an assumption (primarily out of Europe)  that there is not much of a chess culture in the U.S., but there is quite a history of events and people are typically passionate about team chess and there are all types of gimmicks including best team name&#8230; costumes are outrageous as well.</p>
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