I have been thinking about a database of all chess positions (well, only those that people bothered to enter into it), editable by the public a la Wikipedia. I think most of what you describe would go into a large article on, say, the position after 1.e4.

My gimmick would be that there would be a difference between a user's personal annotations (only visible by himself, private notes) and public information. I haven't decided yet whether it would be possible to keep moves (and thus positions) private as well until someone makes them public, or whether they should always be public.

Did you dream about copyrights too?? :)

But if you think about it for real I think you should take the model of Wikipedia (which is also intended to be a total library in a way). So what I mean is that once the basic structure is defined just let the public community to fill in the content step-by-step.

Thank you very much, this was one enjoyable story! The fact that I instantly recognised Shirov and Marshall tells me that I have wasted way too much time on this game :)

Felt exactly the same, jussu! :-)

Excellent story. It reminded me of a certain Jean-Pierre Deleule, French catholic writer, mathematician and diplomat, who is now known principally for his theological correspondence with G. K. Chesterton (whom he also translated into French). In 1889 - on the peak of the century - he wrote a treatise named "Le jeu d’échecs pris dans l’écriture, suivi par le court traité sur l’impossibilité de la libraire complète, démontré par la théorie cantorienne des ensembles."

The main topic of the paper was obviously the art of writing chess moves. Deleule's system is far from current rules of annotation, being somewhat complicated and baroque in its character. For instance, he proposed that the openings moves (up to eighth move in his mind) should not be written separately and numerically, but in typical pairs and descriptively. Instead of our "1.e4 c5" he thus uses the term "Un coup de côté initial"; instead of "3.Bc4 Nf6" phrase "Une prémunition de la bataille", and so on.

But the problem of annotation is not the only topic of the book, for its main part is appended by a short treatise on the possibility of a complete chess library (as is already indicated in the title). In it Deleule uses a fairly simple argument against such a possibility. His demonstration is as following: were a complete chess library possible, then the index of all its books have to be made, so that the library should be useful at all. Since the alphabetical index is of no use to a chess player, the books had to be catalogued by a certain chess-related criterion (by openings for instance). But that would obviously make this index itself a chess book; we would then have to add the index itself to the library collection. In order to catalogue the addition of the index we would have to write another index, and that index would on its turn again have to be added to the library, forcing us to invent yet another index, etc., etc. Deleule's conclusion goes as follows: "Were a complete chess library possible, it would have to be infinite in its nature, constantly expanding and thus never complete [jamais entière]."

It seems that Jean-Pierre Deleule - a somewhat forgotten spirit, remembered only in a certain vein of English Catholicism - had well in advance demonstrated the logical nullity of your dream. Perhaps his treatise was waiting for your dream, like a hunter waiting for a thing he himself deems impossible: a tiger with a shade of blue.

Yep, thats what you dream when you have a self-analyzing computer chess brain. Maybe some nanoids will help you sleep better!?

Talk to your countryman Jurgen Stigter. He is trying to actually do something like this :)

I know of Jurgen's project, bayde (he's a fellow club member of mine and I even offered him help with his database) but as far as I know his idea is limited to collecting all book titles (a very ambitious project in itself!), rather than linking all actual content of these books to each other - let alone on the level of individual moves!

Outstanding article Arne, one of the most enjoyable you've written, and you've written quite a few good ones.

I had a short thought at the end of reading it and that was that the ultimate Chess db would simply be the compendium of all possible legal games sans any comments or evaluations except 1-0, 0-1, or 1/2-1/2. I can smell the sizzling silicon...

Cool story!. But furthermore for an Argentinean like me who while I was reading your article I looked up in my computer shelve, picked Borges Complete Works and (much as the Marshall and Shirov moves) only had to (out of 630 pages in the VOL II) jump and pass ahead (or back) a few pages to find exactly the text that you referred to in your last quotation.
A single question came to my mind instantaneously:
How many chess books (only books, not articles) are estimated that have ever been written?.
Difficult to say ha; well, I suggest that trough the ISBN register (or other similar) we could count, for instance, the number of those published in 2009, then, the number of those in 2004, and keep that gap of regressive five all the way back to, say, Morphy times, and then keep going backwards with single year estimates (as the number of books at those times are far lesser). Once we have that, we could multiply them by an average between 0.5 and 4 MB, which is about the weight most digitalized books (for CBH format) have these days.
I have no concrete information (maybe you do, or could ask Edward Winter, Jurgen Stigter, or someone) but according to Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_libraries) it states that
- In 1913, preeminent chess historian H.J.R. Murray estimated the total number of books, magazines, and newspaper columns pertaining to chess to be about 5,000 at that time
- B.H. Wood estimated that number, as of 1949, to be about 20,000.

Later, from those references on, I have no specific information, but as an arbitrary (or rather imaginary) growth rate I could speculate that:

Period 1650-1850 : 7,5 books per year =1500
Period 1850-1900 : 70 books per year = 3500 (Total 5.000)
Period 1900-1950 : 300 books per year =15000 (Total 20.000)
Period 1950-2000 : Who knows?
Period 2000-2010 : Who knows?

Only if the rate per year would have been duplicated respect to the previous 50 years, we would have, in the period 1950-2000, a number of 600 per year= 30.000 (Total 50.000), and in the period 2000-2010 (sure, “only ten years”, but let’s give them the benefit of the doubt) 1600 per year, so a total of about 100.000 books.
Only considering this later period with my imaginary numbers, it doesn’t sound as such a crazy amount to believe, supposing that there are about 30 Publishing chess houses in the world, and each of them releases somewhat between 50 to 60 books a year.
Now if we were to digitalize every of those fantasy number of books at a rate of 2 MB each, we could have them in about 200.000 MB, that is, some 190 to 200 GB of information, less than one quarter of my outdated HHDD of 1 TB.

The point of the Borges 1st article (The total library), and later the 2nd (The library of Babel) were that –at least the second-, it contained every possible book to be written from a mathematical point of view, departing from the 25 orthographic symbols (22 letters of the alphabet –don’t ask me why not 26 or 27, like in our western alphabet-, stop, comma, and space) and 410 pages per book (I supposed, to make each volume manageable). Someone calculated that number (although departing from the 32 current symbols, being the 27 letters, stop, comma, space, plus 1 and 0) in approximately 101.974.751TB, that is, a number one followed by 1.974.751 zeros. The link in case you can read Spanish is http://otarioblog.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/borges-en-terabytes/.

Borges played around a lot in the articles with the implications of such a monster (incidentally, TERA in Greek means monster), such as the answer of all mysteries of humanity, as in Arne Moll quotation, but I prefer to keep the later (excuse me for my amateur translation from the original Spanish version)

“…We also know about another superstition of that time: that of The Men of the Book. In some shelve of some hexagon there must be a book that constitutes the perfect number and the compendious of all the rest: some librarian has searched it and it is analogous to a God. (…) I pray to the ignored gods that a men –only one, even if thousands of years ago! - have examined and read it. If honour and wisdom are not for me, let them be for others. Let myself be outraged and annihilated, but in one instant, in one being, your enormous Library could be justified…” (Jorge Luis Borges, Complete Works, “Fictions”, “The library of Babel”, page 469).

Regards to all,

Adolfo.

I had to design a datamodel once for the registration of all the objects in the historical collections of a big Amsterdam historical institute. That really was a challenge like Borges' Total Library.

It took me about a year to discover/invent the basic idea. Once I had it, the idea seemed very simple. Of course it wasn't. But it turned out to be perfectly logical and possible. Not only in dreams, but in reality too. So keep on trying!

Thanks, Adolfo, fascinating numbers! Somehow I'm not convinced of the size of our hypothetical database. Consider, the ChessBase Mega Database 2009 folder is already over 2,5 GB and most of the games are not annotated at all. If we were to add all information of all chessbooks ever written and link it back to each other, I dare say it would be more than the number (190-200 GB) you suggest!

By the way, another comparison that came to my mind after publishing the article was with the supercomputer from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (aptly called Deep Thought!) which could calculate the answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything, but after millions of years of calculating came up with the (humanly) uneless answer '42'. I think such supercomputers or libraries are always bound to be useless and Borges seems to have realized this even before computers were invented.

Great article, Arne, indeed one of your best and leading to reactions that are even more interesting than usual.

Do you know the article by Hugo Brand-Corstius on Borges' library? It is in 'Rekenen op Taal', I think.

And nice that you slipped in the reference to Kasparov's 'children of Lothar Schmidt'.

Paul

Cool dream. I wish mine were as interesting.

Nice this drawing by Piranesi, never heard of this artist before. But what is all this talk about Shirov and Marshall? I don't get it.

Zomerschacker: a hint: Topalov - Shirov 1998 47...Bh3!!

I'm the author of the post that Alfredo mentions: http://otarioblog.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/borges-en-terabytes/ (Spanish).
The conclusion of that article is that Borges' Total Library would need 10^1834091TB to be stored (a number "1" followed of 1 834 091 "zeros"). It's impossible: if every atom in the Universe could store 1TB, there won't be enough to store the whole Library.
Now, let's imagine a similar idea with chess games. I mean, storing every possible chess game, it doesn't matter if it has been played or not. Obviously, it would be as huge as the Library Borges imagined. But... which one would be bigger? I mean, which language is more complex, which one is greater? Mankind's words or chess' words? ¿Qué Dios detrás de Dios la trama empieza?

Mind you Lothar Schmid, not Schmidt!

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