Candidates matches start in one week - who's your pick?
In exactly one week eight days from today, the first games of the FIDE Candidates matches will be played. In Kazan, Russia the first round will have Veselin Topalov vs Gata Kamsky, Vladimir Kramnik vs Teimour Radjabov, Levon Aronian vs Alexander Grischuk and Boris Gelfand vs Shakhriyar Mamedyarov. Who do you think will qualify for a match with Vishy Anand?
The matches, with the above pairings, will be played over four games. Two days after these matches end, the second round starts, with the winner of Topalov-Kamsky against the winner of Gelfand-Mamedyarov and the winner of Kramnik-Radjabov against the winner of Aronian-Grischuk. These matches will also consist of four games. The final match will consist of six games.
Bracket courtesy of Wikipedia
Dates
The dates for the Candidates matches are May 3rd-27th. Although no official message (nor a website) has been communicated by FIDE or the organizers since the official announcement of the pairings on February 7th, we may safely assume that the opening ceremony will take place on May 3rd, and the first game will be played the next day - exactly a week from today.
Update: we've found the official website at kazan2011.fide.com. There we read that 3 May is the 'Arrival', 4 May the 'Players Meeting / Opening Ceremony' and 5 May 'Game 1, round 1'.
The drawing of colours for all the rounds will be conducted during the opening ceremony. The winner of these Candidates Matches will qualify to challenge World Champion Vishy Anand in a 12-game match during the first half of 2012.
Players
Veselin Topalov qualified as the runner up of the previous World Championship. Vladimir Kramnik qualified by rating. Levon Aronian was the winner of the FIDE Grand-Prix 2008-2009 and Boris Gelfand was the winner of the FIDE World Cup 2009. Shakhriyar Mamedyarov was kept as the wild card, originally picked by organizers in Baku, Azerbaijan, before the event was moved to Kazan.
Teimour Radjabov came second in the FIDE Grand-Prix and Alexander Grischuk also qualified from this GP. The Russian replaces Magnus Carlsen who decided not to play early November, 2010. Gata Kamsky is in as the runner up of the Challengers Match 2009.
Time control
The time control will be 120 minutes for the first 40 moves, then 60 minutes for the next 20 moves and then 15 minutes for the rest of the game plus an additional 30 seconds increment per move, starting from move 61. Tiebreaks will consist of four games of 25 minutes plus 10 seconds increment, two blitz games (five minutes plus three seconds) and one sudden death game (five against 4, with 3 seconds increment from move 61, and draw odds for Black).
Prizes
The four losers of the first round matches will each receive a (minimum) amount of 30,000 euros. The two losers of the second round matches will each receive a (minimum) amount of 60,000 euros. The minimum prize fund for the final match of the 3rd round is 180,000 euros which will be divided 50%-50% between the two players (90,000 euros each).
Kazan
The matches will be held in Kazan, Russia. It's the capital city of the Republic of Tatarstan is the sixth largest city of Russia. From Wikipedia we learn that it lies at the confluence of the Volga and Kazanka Rivers in European Russia. The Kazan Kremlin is a World Heritage Site and in April 2009, the Russian Patent Office granted Kazan the right to brand itself as the "Third Capital" of Russia. Besides, in 2009 it was chosen as the "sports capital of Russia".
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Comments
gg
2 years 3 weeks ago
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Aronian is of course a natural choice, he is the best player of those participating in Kazan, but with this knockout format I wouldn't be surprised if there will be a sensation in the end, with for example Kamsky or Mamedyarov winning.
gg
2 years 3 weeks ago
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I don't think previous head-to-head says that much. Topalov has great results against Kamsky but I think Kamsky will win that match, I wonder if Topalov hasn't started on his way out of the top ten. Mamedyarov has bad results against Gelfand but has been the better player lately and I'd bet on him in that one.
Then in Aronian-Grischuk and Kramnik-Radjabov the favourites could find it harder than most people think. Especially 67% for Aronian as winner and less than 1% for Grischuk in this unpredictable format looks too uneven. I'd guess 2-2 in both matches and then unpredictable tiebreaks. Something like Kamsky-Grischuk in the final is far from impossible.
Thomas
2 years 3 weeks ago
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We had this discussion before ... why would head-to-head score mean less than Elo, which is the cumulative result of all games against many different opponents? In particular, Mamedyarov's Elo mostly improved by efficiently beating weaker players in team events - granted, he also did well at Tal Memorial (though not against Gelfand). Gelfand in turn demonstrated at the World Cup that the KO format, including rapid and blitz tiebreaks, suits him well.
About Topalov: While I am certainly not his fan, I think it's premature to write him off. He had two consecutive bad events (Olympiad and Nanjing), so did Carlsen (Olympiad and Bilbao).
On the poll: Don't over-interpret it, I guess most people voted just once and in part it's also a popularity contest. To me it's just as surprising and unrealistic that Aronian's chances seem 4-times better than Kramnik's.
We weren't asked to rank the players. If I had many votes, it might have been something like 4 for Kramnik, 3 for Aronian, 2 for Topalov and 1 for everyone else.
gg
2 years 3 weeks ago
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Elo also means little in a knockout when the difference is so small. I don't think one can say that a lower rated player ever would be a big favourite in any minimatch though. Some luck will be needed, if the opponent once plays into a prepared opening line it could decide a whole match. Being in form and playing well in rapid will also be central of course. I thought Mamedyarov looked better than ever at the end of 2010 and now he has been preparing for many months without playing at all, maybe he will be the surprise. I really dislike the format, but now that it's close it does feel as if it will be quite fun and I don't miss Carlsen at all actually.
Thomas
2 years 3 weeks ago
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I also looked at some past results, but between the Kazan participants. I include games since and including 2008, separating between classical and rapid/blitz as the latter may or may not become relevant. Here we go:
Gelfand-Mamedyarov classical +4=1-1, other +4=1-4
[Mamedyarov needs to survive the classical part to reach a tiebreak? He also (quite drastically) lost their Tal Memorial game which cost him sole first place. Most remarkable is the very low drawing percentage.]
Topalov-Kamsky +3=3-1 and +1-1
[but all classical games are from their previous match, where some games could have had a different result]
Aronian-Grischuk +3=6-2 and +2=2-1
[I also consider Aronian one of the favorites of the whole thing, but it isn't sooo clear that he will survive the first round!?]
Kramnik-Radjabov =1 (that's it, Corus 2008) and +2=3-1
[the database is comparatively meaningless, hence I favor Kramnik based on Elo and previous match experience]
suleiman
2 years 3 weeks ago
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I believe that if Carlsen were to participate in this Candidates tournament, everybody would be talking about it for a very long time. When I wanted to check the dates of this tournament on the front page of ChessVibes yesterday, I couldn't find it - it feels like, when Carlsen decided to withdraw this tournament lost a huge popularity among the chess fans.
AuN1
2 years 3 weeks ago
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real chess fans understand that thee will be quality games played here despite the fact that carlsen is not participating. players such as kramnik, topalov, and aronian aren't just chopped liver. they at least have the fortitude to compete, as opposed to the capricious young norwegian who feels entitled to the chess championship without fighting for it.
blueofnoon
2 years 3 weeks ago
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4-game matches are lottery. You remember Kramnik lost to Adams, Adams lost to Akopian, and so on.
I hope Aronian will win the tournament, as he seems to be the one who can give Anand toughest challenge, but on the other hand his early defeat wouldn't surprise me at all.
jussu
2 years 3 weeks ago
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Oh good, time for arrogant predictions! If Kramnik is in form then we'll see Anand-Kramnik v.2. If not then the winner of Aronian-Grischuk will face Topalov in the finals and probably lose, so we should see Anand-Topalov v.2.
jussu
2 years 3 weeks ago
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Looking further: either way, Anand should stay on his throne :)
christos (greece)
2 years 3 weeks ago
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I voted for Aronian and I think that, after him, Kramnik has the second best chance.
suleiman
2 years 3 weeks ago
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It will be an interesting travel for Gata Kamsky since he, as originally being a Tatar himself, will be technically at his 'homeland'.
R
2 years 3 weeks ago
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I guess they're also overestimating the fact that he's 24 points above the next highest rated candidate (Kramnik) and 33 over the one after that (Topalov).
They're probably overestimating his results in the last 14 months or so:
+1 =11 -0 @ Linares 2010 (2753 opposition)
+1 =4 -1 @ Shanghai 2010 (2751 opposition) [only loss in 56 games: Aronian - Kramnik]
+5 =5 -0 @ Olympiad 2010 (2695 opposition)
+3 =3 -0 @ European Club Cup 2010 (2691 opposition)
+2 =7 -0 @ Tal Memorial 2010 (2752 opposition)
+3 =10 -0 @ Tata Steel 2011 (2735 opposition)
In addition to his non-classical results:
+20 =9 -9 @ World Blitz Championship 2010
+6 =5 -0 @ Amber Blindfold 2011
+4 =6 -1 @ Amber Rapid 2011
(aggregate +10 =11 -1 @ Amber Blindfold and Rapid 2011)
No, but seriously, without Anand or Carlsen, Aronian is a fairly natural choice. If anything, you should be arguing that since these matches are so short, there's a higher chance for Aronian to get *upset* by a freak loss.
R
2 years 3 weeks ago
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Oops, Linares should be +1 =9 -0.
Siva
2 years 3 weeks ago
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This will be a Vaselin and Kramnik final altho popular opinion and tournament results seem to favor Aronian who can not beat Kramnik in a match yet.
AuN1
2 years 3 weeks ago
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i have no reason to believe aronian will be in contention here. whoever is voting has seriously overrated his win in monaco and his equal first performance in moscow. kramnik and topalov will battle for the right to challenge anand, and i believe kramnik will prevail and regain his crown.
Thomas
2 years 3 weeks ago
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You're welcome - but for me "complicated" was rather an 'overstatement', or at least most of the system makes sense to me:
- Players have several chances to qualify:
1) the World Cup which is in principle open to everyone: even I (Elo 1950) could - theoretically - qualify if I played the European Championship and made it into the top 23 :)
2) the GP series which is open to the top and subtop
3) rating spots
- The system accomodates the loser of the previous WCh match, who had to prepare and play and couldn't really think about plan B: what happens if I lose the match?? This applies to Topalov and even to Kramnik (his match against Anand took place after the start of the GP series)
Another story is how Topalov "qualified" for his match against Anand, and that he still gets the privilege of being seeded first leading to an easier draw. And Kamsky's privilege is a by-product of Topalov's privileges.
Arguably, the system is unfair to players who entered the top10 only very recently - again, this is the case not just for (Tata winner) Nakamura, but also for (Tal Memorial winner) Karjakin.
Al
2 years 3 weeks ago
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I don't know enough about most of the players here as I'm only interested in the top few but I'd put money on Aronian winning this, deservedly! And look at the polls! I believe Aronian will be our next world champion until Carlsen feels comfortable with the World Championship cycle. Except for Carlsen and Anand, Aronian is the best most solid player at the moment his progress is incredible and he may not of peaked.
Kramnik is not in form at the moment and wouldn't be surprised if he went down early, not sure what is happening to this infamous genius. Topalov is very so so at the moment so he too could go out early.
Apart from Aronian winning this I believe it could be anyones tournament for 2nd place.
JustMe
2 years 3 weeks ago
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It would be so nice if Aronian will win this. If Aronian win this tournament, he eventually will outperform Anand.
JustMe
2 years 3 weeks ago
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It would be so nice if Aronian will win this. If Aronian win this tournament, he, most probably, will outperform Anand.
Joe Fiasco
2 years 3 weeks ago
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This may well be Gelfand's last chance. I really wosh him all the best and hope he'll make it.
Peter Doggers
2 years 3 weeks ago
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Right, thanks. In the mean time I've found the official website at kazan2011.fide.com. There it says that 3 May i the 'Arrival', 4 May the 'Players Meeting / Opening Ceremony' and 5 May 'Game 1, round 1'.
bhabatosh
2 years 3 weeks ago
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Aronian should win !
unfortunately all the best players are in same side ( Aronian, Kramnik , Teimur , Grischuk ) , this is my personal opinion though.
I wish we could have shuffled them.
lets see What Kamsky does against Topalov , he lost once , can he take revenge ? other tan that I dont see any excitement in that section. I may be biased.
Jess
2 years 3 weeks ago
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If Radjabov past Kramnik, than he will challenge Anand
He is the most genius (in chess) than all other except Kramnik (is about equall)
If Kramnik past Radjabov, it will interesting to see his game against (bigger chance) Aronian.
If Radjabov past i much sure he can overcome Aronian.
Rick
2 years 3 weeks ago
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teimour have a good result against levon
definitly, he must overcome kramnik first n then waiting anand in india
Septimus
2 years 3 weeks ago
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My predictions for the first round are:
Topalov, Mamadeyrov,Aronian and Kramnik.
Semi-Final:
Topalov, Aronian
Final winner: Aronian
Now where is MY prize money?
Zeblakob
2 years 3 weeks ago
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Agree.
Lynn Green
2 years 3 weeks ago
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Thanks for information. When you said the process is complicated, that was quite an understatement!
Lynn Green
2 years 3 weeks ago
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Where can we follow the matches?
ashwath
2 years 2 weeks ago
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in my a a**
wtf is google for???
Lynn Green
2 years 2 weeks ago
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You perhaps should google the phrase, "ways to show that I am a complete a**".
colombeau
2 years 2 weeks ago
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peter gave the adress of the site
kazan2011.fide.com.
Brecht
2 years 3 weeks ago
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I wonder why Vasily Ivanchuck is not at all qualifed as most genius player by wildcard...
Thomas
2 years 3 weeks ago
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It is somewhat complicated, there were various ways to qualify:
- Topalov by losing his WCh match against Anand
- Aronian and Radjabov via the FIDE Grand Prix Series (at the start of the series in May 2008, Nakamura was world #34, Elo 2686 - not even enough to qualify for the qualifying series)
- Gelfand by winning the World Cup (Nakamura didn't participate as he played in London at the same time
- Carlsen and Kramnik by rating
- as Carlsen declined the invitation, he was replaced by Grischuk, #3 from the GP series
now the tricky part:
- Mamedyarov got an organizer wildcard (the event should have been held in Baku, but - to make a long story short - Aronian had understandable problems playing in Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan still pays at least part of the expenses and kept their right to nominate a player.)
- Kamsky qualified by winning the previous World Cup and losing his match against Topalov.
Anyway, not just world #8 Nakamura, but also #6 Karjakin and world #5 Ivanchuk have to wait for the next cycle (both didn't make it via GP or World Cup)
Lynn Green
2 years 3 weeks ago
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How are the candidate chosen? Nakamura has the 8th best rank in the world, but I notice that he is not in the tournament.
Zeblakob
2 years 3 weeks ago
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That is a very very long story, even FIDE president does not understand all the details.
The Golden Knight
2 years 2 weeks ago
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Only Carlsen understands it ;-)
James Pack
2 years 3 weeks ago
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Wow, Aronian is a MASSIVE favourite then! I think Mamedyarov could be something of a dark horse in this, especially as his route to the final looks somewhat 'easier' than the bottom half of the split.
As an aside, i wonder how Carlsen is feeling about his decision to withdraw now that so many super GM tournaments have been cancelled this year? Looks like he's going to be twiddling his thumbs somewhat...
Zeblakob
2 years 3 weeks ago
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The probability that some "Russian" player faces some "Bulgarian" player is very low. I am sad.
gg
2 years 3 weeks ago
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Most underestimated player at the moment could be Mamedyarov. He has 2% of the votes but against Gelfand he should be 50-50, as against the winner of Kamsky-Topalov, maybe he would even be the favourite there. And once in the final everything is possible.
Harish Srinivasan
2 years 3 weeks ago
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On ICC handle "candidates11" they seem to say the first round will be on May 5th Thursday rather than on May 4th as you suggest. But I dont know where they got their information from. Considering that they also seem to know the time of start 7 a.m. EDT, may be their source is reliable.
Chris In St Maur
2 years 3 weeks ago
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I voted for Aronian because I think that an Elo advantage gives a persistent pull.
But let's not overestimate it in short KO events.
Remember Khalifman (FIDE WC 1999-2000), Ponomariov (FIDE WC 2002-2004), Kasimdzhanov (FIDE WC 2004-2005) all managed to win out against theoretically stronger opposition.
Personally I'm hoping to see Topalov-Mamedyarov come out of the hat so that they can accuse each other of cheating, as both of them have done so in the past.
& let's also remember that better players don't necessarily mean better chess. Particularly in events where the stakes are high & the most important thing is not to lose. I often prefer looking at the games of Hou Yifan to some players who are over 2700.
Chris In St Maur
2 years 3 weeks ago
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Incidentally does anyone (Peter for instance) know what has happened Hans Arild Runde ?
The Live Top Ratings List hasn't been updated for over 2 months now.
If he has really got tired of doing it (which I would quite understand), couldn't it be handed over to some other dedicated person or better yet to a small team.
ebutaljib
2 years 3 weeks ago
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You'll have to wait until Carlsen is on top once again. then it will get updated :)
quibbler
2 years 3 weeks ago
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I believe he wrote over at chessgames.com that he was working very long hours on his actual paying job. What strange priorities.
Are you volunteering?
hansie
2 years 2 weeks ago
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Till the time Hans Arild Runde returns to update the ratings or Peter forms a team to do so, I feel that the Live Ratings should be replaced by FIDE Ratings.
Shalivahan
2 years 2 weeks ago
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As there have been no classical Super Tournaments for the past 2 months, there is nothing to update !
Zagreb 1959
2 years 3 weeks ago
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This is again made to give Topalov a red bull to the final or another chance to face Anand because in four games surprises are possible, but I hope, Aronian or Kramnik will win and one of them will face Anand.
onurengin
2 years 3 weeks ago
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totally agreed!
JustMe
2 years 2 weeks ago
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This is made to determine the most worthy challenger for Anand.
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