Tata R9: Aronian beats Caruana, increases lead as Carlsen loses to Karjakin

In the 9th round of the Tata Steel tournament in Wijk aan Zee, The Netherlands Levon Aronian increased his lead to a full point. On Tuesday the Armenian grandmaster beat Fabiano Caruana, and saw his main rival Magnus Carlsen lose to Sergey Karjakin. In the same round, Vassily Ivanchuk won against Anish Giri.
Karjakin beats Carlsen, which was good news for Aronian, who won against Caruana
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The round 6 report on the official website already mentioned it, but we think that the 9th round was even more suitable.
The late Dutch GM Hein Donner used to claim that blunders are not made but pre-exist and, like viruses, infest tournament halls where they pick their victims among unsuspecting players.
In all Grandmaster Groups strange things happened on Tuesday. The virus was there!

Maybe the length of the tournament is already taking its toll? Open tournaments usually last nine rounds too, don't they? Well, in Wijk aan Zee the players already had two rest days, and they have to play four more rounds (with another rest day in between). There's no reason to complain - this is how they do it here, a long tournament like in the old days, and it's actually something that most players like about this event!
Let's start with Levon Aronian, who was the first to score a point. The Armenian grandmaster preferred not to give a press conference, because he didn't like his play at all.

Nonetheless Ivan Sokolov awarded the 500 euro daily prize to Aronian, who said after the game:
I had a very good position out of the opening. I felt that I managed to get my opponent into my preperation. It looked like a comfortable win and for some reason I started to complicate with each and every move. I'm not sure what was his last mistake, but I know where my mistakes are! You're used to playing with mistakes when you're playing such a long tournament.
The way Magnus Carlsen got into trouble is probably something he would describe himself as a "blunder" as well. In just two half-moves, an equal position turned into a miserable one. Karjakin could have finished things quicker but he never let the win slip away.

Amazingly, this was only the first win ever for Karjakin over Carlsen with a classical time control. The Moscovite is having a rollercoaster tournament, with just one draw, four wins and four losses now. He said:
I think I managed to play a good game today. He gave me a chance which I completely used. He was defending very well I think but basically the position was really very bad for White so I managed to win it.
Anish GIri miscalculated in the 5th hour and saw to his horror that the pawn ending he had gone for, was lost.

Also in the game between Vugar Gashimov and David Navara something happened that got the engine's alarm bells ringing.

Pentala Harikrishna is still leading in the B group. Ilya Nyzhnyk chose the wrong square for his king and was lost soon after:

In the C group, it was surprising to see a 2532 rated played miss a very simple move that would have forced resignation.
Matthew Sadler again drew his game while both Maxim Turov and Hans Tikkanen won again, so it's really these two players fighting for qualification to the B group.

Hans TIkkanen

Maxim Turov
Daily video by the organizers
Games group A, round 9
Tata Steel 2012 | Grandmaster Group A | Pairings
| Round 1 | 14.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 2 | 15.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Navara | ½-½ | Topalov | Topalov | ½-½ | Van Wely | |
| Gelfand | 0-1 | Giri | Gashimov | ½-½ | Kamsky | |
| Radjabov | ½-½ | Caruana | Ivanchuk | ½-½ | Carlsen | |
| Karjakin | 0-1 | Aronian | Aronian | 1-0 | Nakamura | |
| Nakamura | ½-½ | Ivanchuk | Caruana | 1-0 | Karjakin | |
| Carlsen | 1-0 | Gashimov | Giri | ½-½ | Radjabov | |
| Kamsky | ½-½ | Van Wely | Navara | ½-½ | Gelfand | |
| Round 3 | 16.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 4 | 17.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Gelfand | ½-½ | Topalov | Topalov | ½-½ | Gashimov | |
| Radjabov | 1-0 | Navara | Ivanchuk | ½-½ | Van Wely | |
| Karjakin | 1-0 | Giri | Aronian | 1-0 | Kamsky | |
| Nakamura | ½-½ | Caruana | Caruana | ½-½ | Carlsen | |
| Carlsen | 1-0 | Aronian | Giri | ½-½ | Nakamura | |
| Kamsky | ½-½ | Ivanchuk | Navara | 0-1 | Karjakin | |
| Van Wely | ½-½ | Gashimov | Gelfand | ½-½ | Radjabov | |
| Round 5 | 19.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 6 | 20.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Radjabov | ½-½ | Topalov | Topalov | ½-½ | Ivanchuk | |
| Karjakin | 0-1 | Gelfand | Aronian | 1-0 | Gashimov | |
| Nakamura | 1-0 | Navara | Caruana | ½-½ | Van Wely | |
| Carlsen | ½-½ | Giri | Giri | 1-0 | Kamsky | |
| Kamsky | ½-½ | Caruana | Navara | ½-½ | Carlsen | |
| Van Wely | ½-½ | Aronian | Gelfand | 0-1 | Nakamura | |
| Gashimov | 0-1 | Ivanchuk | Radjabov | 1-0 | Karjakin | |
| Round 7 | 21.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 8 | 22.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Karjakin | 1-0 | Topalov | Topalov | ½-½ | Aronian | |
| Nakamura | ½-½ | Radjabov | Caruana | ½-½ | Ivanchuk | |
| Carlsen | 1-0 | Gelfand | Giri | 0-1 | Gashimov | |
| Kamsky | 1-0 | Navara | Navara | ½-½ | Van Wely | |
| Van Wely | ½-½ | Giri | Gelfand | ½-½ | Kamsky | |
| Gashimov | ½-½ | Caruana | Radjabov | ½-½ | Carlsen | |
| Ivanchuk | ½-½ | Aronian | Karjakin | ½-½ | Nakamura | |
| Round 9 | 24.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 10 | 25.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Nakamura | ½-½ | Topalov | Topalov | - | Caruana | |
| Carlsen | 0-1 | Karjakin | Giri | - | Aronian | |
| Kamsky | ½-½ | Radjabov | Navara | - | Ivanchuk | |
| Van Wely | ½-½ | Gelfand | Gelfand | - | Gashimov | |
| Gashimov | ½-½ | Navara | Radjabov | - | Van Wely | |
| Ivanchuk | 1-0 | Giri | Karjakin | - | Kamsky | |
| Aronian | 1-0 | Caruana | Nakamura | - | Carlsen | |
| Round 11 | 27.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 12 | 28.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Carlsen | - | Topalov | Topalov | - | Giri | |
| Kamsky | - | Nakamura | Navara | - | Caruana | |
| Van Wely | - | Karjakin | Gelfand | - | Aronian | |
| Gashimov | - | Radjabov | Radjabov | - | Ivanchuk | |
| Ivanchuk | - | Gelfand | Karjakin | - | Gashimov | |
| Aronian | - | Navara | Nakamura | - | Van Wely | |
| Caruana | - | Giri | Carlsen | - | Kamsky | |
| Round 13 | 29.01.12 | 12.00 CET | ||||
| Kamsky | - | Topalov | ||||
| Van Wely | - | Carlsen | ||||
| Gashimov | - | Nakamura | ||||
| Ivanchuk | - | Karjakin | ||||
| Aronian | - | Radjabov | ||||
| Caruana | - | Gelfand | ||||
| Giri | - | Navara |
Tata Steel 2012 | Grandmaster Group A | Round 9 standings
Games group B, round 9
Tata Steel 2012 | Grandmaster Group B | Pairings
| Round 1 | 14.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 2 | 15.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Reinderman | ½-½ | Motylev | Motylev | ½-½ | Potkin | |
| Bruzon | 0-1 | Harikrishna | Tiviakov | 1-0 | Timman | |
| Lahno | 1-0 | Ernst | Nyzhnyk | ½-½ | l'Ami | |
| Harika | ½-½ | Vocaturo | Vocaturo | 1-0 | Cmilyte | |
| Cmilyte | 0-1 | Nyzhnyk | Ernst | ½-½ | Harika | |
| l'Ami | 1-0 | Tiviakov | Harikrishna | 1-0 | Lahno | |
| Timman | ½-½ | Potkin | Reinderman | ½-½ | Bruzon | |
| Round 3 | 16.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 4 | 17.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Bruzon | ½-½ | Motylev | Motylev | 1-0 | Tiviakov | |
| Lahno | ½-½ | Reinderman | Nyzhnyk | ½-½ | Potkin | |
| Harika | 0-1 | Harikrishna | Vocaturo | ½-½ | Timman | |
| Cmilyte | 1-0 | Ernst | Ernst | 1-0 | l'Ami | |
| l'Ami | 1-0 | Vocaturo | Harikrishna | ½-½ | Cmilyte | |
| Timman | 1-0 | Nyzhnyk | Reinderman | ½-½ | Harika | |
| Potkin | 0-1 | Tiviakov | Bruzon | ½-½ | Lahno | |
| Round 5 | 19.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 6 | 20.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Lahno | 0-1 | Motylev | Motylev | ½-½ | Nyzhnyk | |
| Harika | 0-1 | Bruzon | Vocaturo | ½-½ | Tiviakov | |
| Cmilyte | ½-½ | Reinderman | Ernst | 1-0 | Potkin | |
| l'Ami | ½-½ | Harikrishna | Harikrishna | 1-0 | Timman | |
| Timman | 1-0 | Ernst | Reinderman | ½-½ | l'Ami | |
| Potkin | ½-½ | Vocaturo | Bruzon | 1-0 | Cmilyte | |
| Tiviakov | ½-½ | Nyzhnyk | Lahno | ½-½ | Harika | |
| Round 7 | 21.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 8 | 22.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Harika | ½-½ | Motylev | Motylev | 1-0 | Vocaturo | |
| Cmilyte | ½-½ | Lahno | Ernst | ½-½ | Nyzhnyk | |
| l'Ami | ½-½ | Bruzon | Harikrishna | ½-½ | Tiviakov | |
| Timman | 0-1 | Reinderman | Reinderman | 0-1 | Potkin | |
| Potkin | ½-½ | Harikrishna | Bruzon | 1-0 | Timman | |
| Tiviakov | 0-1 | Ernst | Lahno | 0-1 | l'Ami | |
| Nyzhnyk | 1-0 | Vocaturo | Harika | ½-½ | Cmilyte | |
| Round 9 | 24.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 10 | 25.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Cmilyte | ½-½ | Motylev | Motylev | - | Ernst | |
| l'Ami | 1-0 | Harika | Harikrishna | - | Vocaturo | |
| Timman | ½-½ | Lahno | Reinderman | - | Nyzhnyk | |
| Potkin | 0-1 | Bruzon | Bruzon | - | Tiviakov | |
| Tiviakov | 1-0 | Reinderman | Lahno | - | Potkin | |
| Nyzhnyk | 0-1 | Harikrishna | Harika | - | Timman | |
| Vocaturo | 1-0 | Ernst | Cmilyte | - | l'Ami | |
| Round 11 | 27.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 12 | 28.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| l'Ami | - | Motylev | Motylev | - | Harikrishna | |
| Timman | - | Cmilyte | Reinderman | - | Ernst | |
| Potkin | - | Harika | Bruzon | - | Vocaturo | |
| Tiviakov | - | Lahno | Lahno | - | Nyzhnyk | |
| Nyzhnyk | - | Bruzon | Harika | - | Tiviakov | |
| Vocaturo | - | Reinderman | Cmilyte | - | Potkin | |
| Ernst | - | Harikrishna | l'Ami | - | Timman | |
| Round 13 | 29.01.12 | 12.00 CET | ||||
| Timman | - | Motylev | ||||
| Potkin | - | l'Ami | ||||
| Tiviakov | - | Cmilyte | ||||
| Nyzhnyk | - | Harika | ||||
| Vocaturo | - | Lahno | ||||
| Ernst | - | Bruzon | ||||
| Harikrishna | - | Reinderman |
Tata Steel 2012 | Grandmaster Group B | Round 9 standings
Games group C, round 9
Tata Steel 2012 | Grandmaster Group C | Pairings
| Round 1 | 14.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 2 | 15.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Sadler | 1-0 | Hopman | Hopman | 0-1 | Turov | |
| Tania | ½-½ | Grover | Schut | ½-½ | Danielian | |
| Paehtz | 0-1 | Tikkanen | Haast | ½-½ | Goudriaan | |
| Brandenburg | ½-½ | Ootes | Ootes | ½-½ | Adhiban | |
| Adhiban | 1-0 | Haast | Tikkanen | ½-½ | Brandenburg | |
| Goudriaan | 1-0 | Schut | Grover | 1-0 | Paehtz | |
| Danielian | 0-1 | Turov | Sadler | ½-½ | Tania | |
| Round 3 | 16.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 4 | 17.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Tania | ½-½ | Hopman | Hopman | 0-1 | Schut | |
| Paehtz | ½-½ | Sadler | Haast | 0-1 | Turov | |
| Brandenburg | ½-½ | Grover | Ootes | 1-0 | Danielian | |
| Adhiban | ½-½ | Tikkanen | Tikkanen | 1-0 | Goudriaan | |
| Goudriaan | 1-0 | Ootes | Grover | 0-1 | Adhiban | |
| Danielian | ½-½ | Haast | Sadler | ½-½ | Brandenburg | |
| Turov | 1-0 | Schut | Tania | 0-1 | Paehtz | |
| Round 5 | 19.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 6 | 20.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Paehtz | ½-½ | Hopman | Hopman | 1-0 | Haast | |
| Brandenburg | ½-½ | Tania | Ootes | 0-1 | Schut | |
| Adhiban | ½-½ | Sadler | Tikkanen | ½-½ | Turov | |
| Goudriaan | 0-1 | Grover | Grover | ½-½ | Danielian | |
| Danielian | 0-1 | Tikkanen | Sadler | ½-½ | Goudriaan | |
| Turov | 1-0 | Ootes | Tania | ½-½ | Adhiban | |
| Schut | 1-0 | Haast | Paehtz | ½-½ | Brandenburg | |
| Round 7 | 21.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 8 | 22.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Brandenburg | 1-0 | Hopman | Hopman | 0-1 | Ootes | |
| Adhiban | 1-0 | Paehtz | Tikkanen | 1-0 | Haast | |
| Goudriaan | ½-½ | Tania | Grover | 1-0 | Schut | |
| Danielian | ½-½ | Sadler | Sadler | ½-½ | Turov | |
| Turov | ½-½ | Grover | Tania | ½-½ | Danielian | |
| Schut | 0-1 | Tikkanen | Paehtz | 1-0 | Goudriaan | |
| Haast | 1-0 | Ootes | Brandenburg | ½-½ | Adhiban | |
| Round 9 | 24.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 10 | 25.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Adhiban | 1-0 | Hopman | Hopman | - | Tikkanen | |
| Goudriaan | ½-½ | Brandenburg | Grover | - | Ootes | |
| Danielian | ½-½ | Paehtz | Sadler | - | Haast | |
| Turov | 1-0 | Tania | Tania | - | Schut | |
| Schut | ½-½ | Sadler | Paehtz | - | Turov | |
| Haast | 1-0 | Grover | Brandenburg | - | Danielian | |
| Ootes | 0-1 | Tikkanen | Adhiban | - | Goudriaan | |
| Round 11 | 27.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 12 | 28.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Goudriaan | - | Hopman | Hopman | - | Grover | |
| Danielian | - | Adhiban | Sadler | - | Tikkanen | |
| Turov | - | Brandenburg | Tania | - | Ootes | |
| Schut | - | Paehtz | Paehtz | - | Haast | |
| Haast | - | Tania | Brandenburg | - | Schut | |
| Ootes | - | Sadler | Adhiban | - | Turov | |
| Tikkanen | - | Grover | Goudriaan | - | Danielian | |
| Round 13 | 29.01.12 | 12.00 CET | ||||
| Danielian | - | Hopman | ||||
| Turov | - | Goudriaan | ||||
| Schut | - | Adhiban | ||||
| Haast | - | Brandenburg | ||||
| Ootes | - | Paehtz | ||||
| Tikkanen | - | Tania | ||||
| Grover | - | Sadler |
Tata Steel 2012 | Grandmaster Group C | Round 9 standings
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Comments
darkergreen
1 year 3 months ago
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looking at the pairings of last rounds aronian seems to getting the first place! BTW it is always great to see chuck around!
fen
1 year 3 months ago
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I have been hoping that Ivanchuk quietly sneaks up and takes the tournament. But I agree with you, it looks like Aronian has very good chances to win.
Tip of the hat to whoever is making the analysis videos. I really like being able to eavesdrop on the GMs discussing their game.
Zeblakob
1 year 3 months ago
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Some people started asking if MC-Karjakine game is reated or not.
Zeblakob
1 year 3 months ago
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rated*
Anonymous
1 year 3 months ago
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very interesting turn of events today. however, i would not at all be surprised to see Carlsen still come out on top. dont forget he's been getting very good results vs Nakamura and Topalov lately, and Kamsky and Van Wely should be beatable as well. if Aronian keeps up his excellent form, no doubt he will win. I'm curious whether he can win black vs. Giri, and black vs Gelfand. I dont see him beating Radjabov with white, though I reckon he should be able to beat Navara.
My predictions are that Aronian will beat Navara, and draw vs Radjabov, Giri and Gelfand, thus adding +2.5 points, scoring him a 9/13.
I predict Carlsen to win vs Van Wely, Topalov and Kamsky, and draw vs Nakamura, thus giving him +3.5, totalling also a 9/13 score.
Let's see how this turns out.
Oh, by the way, amazing tournament. Aronian is playing like a champ. I (and no doubt most of you out there) look forward to an Aronian - Carlsen match in the (hopefully near) future.
Thomas
1 year 3 months ago
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Predictions are speculations which may or may not come true. What you write sounds reasonable BUT did anyone (anonymous or not, GM or not) predict that Karjakin would beat Carlsen with black?
What about Ivanchuk's chances to win or share first place in the end? Next he faces Navara and Gelfand (2/2 may be possible), then Radjabov and Karjakin (could be 1.5/2). And Radjabov is also tied with Carlsen. So either Aroniian finishes the job, or three rather than one player could still catch him!?
S3
1 year 3 months ago
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" did anyone (anonymous or not, GM or not) predict that Karjakin would beat Carlsen with black? "
Some people suggested so, and in hindsight it's really funny to read the over the top reactions by Runde and the like:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessplayer?pid=52948&kpage=2547
Lee
1 year 3 months ago
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More interesting would be to try and predict Karjakins' final score.
what a roller coaster tournament for him.
Chess Fan
1 year 3 months ago
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Other than the obvious two who are world champion caliber, Karjakin and Radjabov are the next super strong young guys of world champion material. So, after Anand, Aronian and Magnus in team A, and these two in team B with the potential to succeed. What do you all think? Agree/Disagree?
S3
1 year 3 months ago
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Amazing how Karjakin lays psychological pressure on his opponents and induces blunders by precise play.
And not even the face-pulling, chair wiggling -legs in the air stuff could get Carlsen out of it today. What a marvellous technique!!
I would love to see a match between Karjakin and Aronian!
Karjakin
1 year 3 months ago
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sorry man im nowhere near as good as MC. i just got lucky!!
MC Hammer
1 year 3 months ago
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Can't touch this
Al
1 year 3 months ago
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Aronian is the star player at the moment, he has consistency and that is key(something Carlsen is lacking at the moment, and has for a while actually). Still got potential for a nail biting finale!
Xeno
1 year 3 months ago
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Carlsen has lacked consistency for a while because he lost one game after being undefeated for a very long time but finished top three in every tournament the last three years (winning four of the five latest and leading this one up until yesterday)? I wonder how his results will look if he starts being consistent.
S3
1 year 3 months ago
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That's obvious. He will finish somewhere in the middle all the time.
jimknopf
1 year 3 months ago
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Karjakin played quite precisely today, as he himself expressed in the video interview. But apart from that, he didn't have to do much: his win was due to a double blunder (f4/Ne4) in a not promising opening position from Carlsen, when Carslen tried to get something, from nothing achieved in the opening once more.
This seems to be Carlsens's main problem to me. He has an excellent positional understanding, does not have to avoid any tactical complications and is a premium endgame player as well, and is aware of all that very well. So his biggest temptation probably is to get around some of the silly amount of opening preparation required in our computer times by any top player.
That was the lesson Garry tried to teach him (obviously stressing Magnus' patience too much): to prepare really well, not to be a mister-know-it-all, but to reach positions you want to play and which fit your playing style while creating some unbalance or tension. At the moment many of Magnus' openings look like halfhearted efforts without any welcome results, and he regularly has to start games from not very promising middlegame positions missing the tension he needs.
In some games Carlsen succeeds in doing so, but IMHO far too rare for a player of his level! I have the impression Kortchnoi is critical about that as well. Perhaps Carlsen should reevaluate opening study as something possibly really creative and promising, to develop his whole proper style, and not just as the stupid learning necessity, which is the other side of nowadays endless opening preparation.
BertjeEnkelhaar
1 year 3 months ago
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JEEZE. After an interview just a few weeks ago with Calrsen saying he doesnt do much about openingtheorie, you mr wiseguy give such an analyse. If you have studied both his interview and games more carefully you would have noticed that Carlsens lack of studying openings is his strength NOT his weakness.
I hate when people just copy wikipedia and present that as a truth. Same is going on here.
S3
1 year 3 months ago
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I'd say that the opening in Carlsen-Karjakin was a minor succes for Carlsen and all through this tournament he did fare well in the opening for that matter.
Anonymous
1 year 3 months ago
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why are people making ridiculous assumptions based on one game? the tournament isn't even over yet.
Drag Queen
1 year 3 months ago
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He only lost a game.
jimknopf
1 year 3 months ago
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I am very aware of what Carlsen said (in contrast to what Wiki may say). It confirms exactly that he doesn't take this task serious enough, and that is no strength, but quite an obvious weakness in many of his recent games, certainly no assupmtion based on one game at all (@anonymous)!
Bertje, behaving like an arrogant brat does not add anything.
Mauricio Valdes
1 year 3 months ago
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Dude, Topalov is very close to be out of the Top 10 on the live ratings!
Zacalov
1 year 3 months ago
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Chess fans have to be the most unreasonable and illogical of them all. When a player wins a game one day, he is the greatest and they are all "fan boys"; suddenly, the same human being (!) loses and all of a sudden he is lazy and inconsistent. Oh please, even Kasparov lost games, I am sure he will still win this tournament- just remember, "Zacalov predicted it!"
Angel
1 year 3 months ago
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+1
couldn't have said it better myself...
redivivo
1 year 3 months ago
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The funny thing is that this is Carlsen's performances in his nine latest tournaments:
Nanjing: 2901
London: 2815
Wijk: 2815
Bazna: 2853
Biel: 2833
Sao Paulo/Bilbao: 2842
Tal Memorial: 2849
London: 2875
Wijk (this far): 2832
And with these results he is called inconsistent :-)
BertjeEnkelhaar
1 year 3 months ago
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@jimknopf
Calling someone arrogant brad is just insulting. If thats strenghten your point i dont think you will ever be able to make it.
Better arrogant than ignorant so letsrest our case here ok?
BertjeEnkelhaar
1 year 3 months ago
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Oh by the way: GM Yermolinsky said today: "Lets not criticise his openings. The mistakes cam later"
so instead of someone who repeats and misinterprets interviews I prefer listening to the GM.
BertjeEnkelhaar
1 year 3 months ago
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https://webcast.chessclub.com/icc/i/Tata12/Round9/GOTD.html
at 16:27
jimknopf
1 year 3 months ago
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I don't base evaluations on single games. Wasn't that more than obvious from my words. Being unreasonable begins with confusing what someone says with your own emotions, instead of listening and answering. Nobody has to become emotionally unbalanced over some views on chess players.
And Topalov is no counter argument at all from my view: he just is the other extreme (living too much from preparation), and beyond his best playing strength. Nothing extraordinary about that.
Further arguments?
Perhaps a look at some games?
jimknopf
1 year 3 months ago
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By the way, I didn't call you an arrogant brat, Bertje. I don't know you.
I just said that a certain kind of behavior doesn't help at all. And yes, I think you showed that kind of behvior above.
Check your own chessbase databases to verify that that problems arose directly from a not too promising opening position, trying to get something going with Ne5. Even if I am not Mr. Yermolinsky, I guess it is not forbidden to have your own view at things.
I listen to everyone making sense, but I don't stop thinking myself for that reason.
BertjeEnkelhaar
1 year 3 months ago
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AND HERE WE GO AGAIN. Someone cant make his point and reacts by saying. " I have the right to have my opinion"
SO??? And im not emotional at all. Even if thats your interpretation. Thats the whole point here after all. Your interpretations are wrong .......
At least I show an opinion of a GM for proving you wrong. If thats still not good enough, nothing will make you put your pride aside and admit at least some of my point
BertjeEnkelhaar
1 year 3 months ago
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On the other hand... I think this was an openingmistake after all. ...
Peter Grahn
1 year 3 months ago
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We will see when it comes to Candidate plays there Kramnik is wery strong and i think bouth Kramnik and Anand can beat Carlsen and Aronian in matchplay.And Ivanchuck is soo strong.But i agree acordingt to tournamentplay Aronian and Carlsen are superior and often win tournaments
sulutas
1 year 3 months ago
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Does anyone know why Van Wely even bothered to show up for this tournament? Do they provide free dinner, beverages and beers to the participants? Is that the reason? Other than that, I don't see any motivation for him to participate in this tournament this year.
Bastian
1 year 3 months ago
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don't know what your problem is, Van Wely is doing rather well being the lowest rated player so far. Apart from that I like the fact that the organizers give dutch players the chance to participate in the A group and compete with top players, something I'm missing here in germany, where the players don't get such chances.
sulutas
1 year 3 months ago
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I was trying to imply that he doesn't take any risk at all and most of his games were totally dull draws around the move 30.
Thomas
1 year 3 months ago
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Then van Wely is probably the first ever dull drawish player who opts for the King's Indian, Scandinavian, Trompowsky, Najdorf Sicilian and Dutch (OK that's just half of his games and the other ones were quieter)
Abbas
1 year 3 months ago
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Aronian won all his white games
Greco
1 year 3 months ago
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A great day for MC haters....have your fun you dont get a lot of these moments anyway
stevefraser
1 year 3 months ago
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Why aren't the most important games (e.g. Carlsen-Karjakin) provided to go through by clicking the forward button under the board? I only see the unimportant and uninteresting (draws) games usually presented.
Remco G
1 year 3 months ago
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You can click on the game description (where it says "Van Wely,L vs Gelfand,B") and select another game you want to see. They're presented in the order in which the pairings were made.
madgett
1 year 3 months ago
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Hurray, the wooden boards are back!
sah
1 year 3 months ago
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Great comment from Sokolov:“It is a pity,” Sokolov added, that Aronian continues to “complain about his bad play” after every round. “It is not true to begin with and, moreover, it’s not good for himself, for the tournament and for his opponents.”
simaginfan
1 year 3 months ago
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Being strongly self critical is part of the makeup of a good player - Thats why many great players have recommended annotating all your games afterwards. Also it's nice to see a player being modest!
JeroenKK
1 year 3 months ago
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Isn't Maxim Turov the lost brother of Ted Hankey? http://www.dartsdatabase.co.uk/photos/TedHankey2.jpg
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