Reports | October 20, 2012 15:41

A look at the live ratings

A look at the live ratings

You might have noticed that we did not report on the September 1st and October 1st FIDE ratings lists. The reason to break with this traditional service was that, with official FIDE ratings lists appearing monthly now and the Olympiad, the London GP and the Masters Final under way, any information would become outdated very quickly.

Now that a number of major tournaments have finished, it's well worth to have a quick look at the current live rating list provided by IM Artiom Tsepotan. We look at the current list, which was last updated 17 October 2012, 23:05 GMT. For most of the top players the official November 1st rating list will look the same.

Magnus Carlsen gained 4.6 points in Sao Paulo/Bilbao to reach a personal best of 2847 points. If he had beaten Levon Aronian in the last round of the Masters Final last week, the Norwegian would have broken Garry Kasparov's all time rating record of 2851 by one point. Carlsen will get a new chance to do this in the first week of December, at the London Chess Classic.

Levon Aronian lost 5.6 points but is still the clear number two with twenty points more than Vladimir Kramnik. Fabiano Caruana's success in the Masters Final is reflected in the list as well: the Italian entered the world's top 5 for the first time in his career.  He might be a bit shocked himself when he realizes that he is just 13.5 points away from 2800!

Two other Sao Paulo/Bilbao participants, World Champion Vishy Anand and Sergey Karjakin, both lost 4.6 points and are now behind Caruana. 

And then we arrive at the good news, at least for the following three players, who all entered the top 10: Veselin Topalov, Shakhriyar Mamedyarov and Alexander Grischuk. Especially Topalov's 18.4 point rating gain is huge at this level and the former FIDE World Champion is now #8 in the world.

Gata Kamsy took over the status of #1 in the U.S. from Hikaru Nakamura. Kamsky gained 7.4 points, while Nakamura lost 31 points. World Championship contender Boris Gelfand won 14.7 points to climb to the 14th spot.

Please note that the data below were all provided by 2700chess and are not official FIDE ratings. Before the FIDE November 1st rating list, the following events will influence the ratings of the 2700+ players: the SPICE Cup in St. Louis, the Continental Championship in Mar del Plata, the Univé Chess Tournament in Hoogeveen and a number of national leagues (most notably the Bundesliga). However, few changes are expected for the top 10.

Here's the full live rating list of 2700 players, last updated 17 October 2012, 23:05 GMT:

# Name   Rating +/−   Games FIDE Age
1   Carlsen Norway 2847.6 +4.6 10 21 (30.11.1990)
2   Aronian Armenia 2815.4 −5.6 10 30 (06.10.1982)
3   Kramnik Russia 2795.0 0.0   0 37 (25.06.1975)
4   Radjabov Azerbaijan 2792.5 +0.5 6 25 (12.03.1987)
5 3 Caruana Italy 2786.5 +14.5 13 20 (30.07.1992)
6 1 Anand India 2775.4 −4.6 10 42 (11.12.1969)
7 1 Karjakin Russia 2775.4 −4.6 10 22 (12.01.1990)
8 5 Topalov Bulgaria 2769.4 +18.4 17 37 (15.03.1975)
9 5 Mamedyarov Azerbaijan 2764.2 +16.2 16 27 (12.04.1985)
10 2 Grischuk Russia 2764.1 +12.1 17 28 (31.10.1983)
11 2 Ivanchuk Ukraine 2763.4 −7.6 18 43 (18.03.1969)
12 1 Kamsky United-States 2762.4 +7.4 7 38 (02.06.1974)
13 8 Nakamura United-States 2754.9 −31.1 18 24 (09.12.1987)
14 4 Gelfand Israel 2750.7 +14.7 16 44 (24.06.1968)
15 5 Morozevich Russia 2748.4 −9.6 6 35 (18.07.1977)
16   Svidler Russia 2746.6 −0.4 6 36 (17.06.1976)
17 2 Ponomariov Ukraine 2741.0 +6.0 15 29 (11.10.1983)
18 5 Jakovenko Russia 2740.8 +8.8 15 29 (28.06.1983)
19 2 Gashimov Azerbaijan 2737.0 0.0   0 26 (24.07.1986)
20 5 Wang Hao China 2736.7 −11.3 14 23 (04.08.1989)
21 1 Wojtaszek Poland 2733.7 +0.7 15 25 (13.01.1987)
22 1 Leko Hungary 2732.2 −1.8 17 33 (08.09.1979)
23 3 Dominguez Cuba 2726.3 −7.7 17 29 (23.09.1983)
24 4 Tomashevsky Russia 2725.3 +5.3 6 25 (01.07.1987)
25 5 Andreikin Russia 2723.4 +5.4 6 22 (05.02.1990)
26 1 Volokitin Ukraine 2721.9 −2.1 14 26 (18.06.1986)
27 2 Shirov Latvia 2715.6 −2.4 6 40 (04.07.1972)
28 4 Giri Netherlands 2714.9 −15.1 18 18 (28.06.1994)
29 4 McShane England 2713.0 0.0   0 28 (07.01.1984)
30 1 Bruzon Cuba 2712.6 −4.4 18 30 (02.05.1982)
31 10 Vachier-Lagrave France 2712.2 +7.2 8 21 (21.10.1990)
32 4 Areshchenko Ukraine 2711.3 +1.3 6 26 (15.06.1986)
33 7 Navara Czech-Republic 2710.3 −11.7 16 27 (27.03.1985)
34 7 Adams England 2710.1 −9.9 17 40 (17.11.1971)
35   Cheparinov Bulgaria 2710.0 0.0   0 25 (26.11.1986)
36 1 Jobava Georgia 2710.0 0.0   0 28 (26.11.1983)
37 5 Malakhov Russia 2708.6 −4.4 10 31 (27.11.1980)
38 6 Naiditsch Germany 2707.5 +3.5 16 26 (25.10.1985)
39 6 Nepomniachtchi Russia 2707.0 +3.0 7 22 (14.07.1990)
40 2 Almasi Hungary 2707.0 0.0   0 36 (29.08.1976)
41 1 Polgar, Judit Hungary 2705.0 0.0   0 36 (23.07.1976)
42 8 Riazantsev Russia 2704.8 −7.2 6 27 (12.09.1985)
43 6 Fressinet France 2703.6 +1.6 3 30 (01.11.1981)
44 3 Akopian Armenia 2703.0 0.0   0 40 (07.12.1971)
45 2 Korobov Ukraine 2702.4 −2.6 16 27 (25.06.1985)
46 4 Bacrot France 2702.4 −2.6 6 29 (22.01.1983)
47 4 Moiseenko Ukraine 2702.2 +2.2 7 32 (17.05.1980)
48   Ding China 2702.0 0.0 12 19 (24.10.1992)
49 3 Le Quang Liem Vietnam 2700.5 −2.5 8 21 (13.03.1991)
50 7 Vitiugov Russia 2700.2 +9.2 6 25 (04.02.1987)

All data courtesy of

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Anonymous's picture

Nakamura is rated 2754 and ranked 13th. This mediocre player is No WHERE near Carlsen's talent.

How pathetic that Nakamura's worshippers and fanboys like to call him a "genius" and compare him to Bobby Fischer!

When all is said and done, Nakamura will go through the chess history book as another mediocre player soon to be forgotten and irrelevant.

arkan's picture

alright, i'll bite.

what's your own rating? why the hatred?

Chris's picture

not hate, incompetence rather

juanefren's picture

Nice try

eric's picture

It is so funny to see "hooliganism" in chess. I am happy that people like you are not so good at chess. I mean, if you have chance to play against Nakamura and then lose, you might try to hit him with the board:)

Chris's picture

2754 it is medicore player?? It is an opinion from the Moon. Are you living there?

Everyone in top 20 is very talented chess player. Would Nakamura had such a godd trainers as MC it would have been comparable.

Anonymous's picture

You are not correct. Mangus Carlsen didn't become number 1 until after training with Garry Kasparov for sometime. Nakamura had an opportunity to train with Kasparov (fully financed by philanthropist Rex Sinquefield but his psyche couldn't handle it. Besides his hero Fischer did it all by himself so Nakamura is welcome to lock himself up in a seedy hotel room and try the same thing!

Chris's picture

MC and HN have v.quick resigned from cooperation with Kasparov. Because they both were not happy...
I understand that. GK is person difficult to cooperate.

Anonymous's picture

Please do not insult the Moon

Chris's picture

Are you from there?

flea's picture


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choufleur's picture

Nakamura 2800 + by the end of the year ? What a pretentious statement, and what a failure.

B L's picture
choufleur's picture

It seems my comment made you nervous.

Niima's picture

@ choufleur:

I am not a fan of Nakamura's rudeness, though the chess he plays, at its best, is great. Having said that, why put the guy down? He had a goal for 2012 and may not accomplish it, so what?

redivivo's picture

He reached 2786 and that's not a bad Elo with even if 14 points were missing.

Chris's picture

It has been his goal and he honestly told about that. Where is a problem? Do you fear brave peoples?

Thomas's picture

Nothing wrong with having a goal, but it may have been - well not wrong but at least risky to say so in public. Maybe he put too much pressure upon himself?

N.1's picture

Nakamura will accomplish his goal some day,just let him grow....

Mike Magnan's picture

Nakamuras spectacular loss of points is nothing but growing pains...he's paying for some of his nonsense..but he's a great player nonetheless and I have no doubt will rebound and be the player he is if he can shake it off. Thats what champions do. What amazes me is the carlsen denyiers.....its pretty obvious we have an exceptional talent in our midsts. Not only dos he NOT follow conventional computer analysis dogma and just play the game..he keeps going up! Kasparov was a great champion but he made his rating beating up on 25 and 260 players with a houe full of analysts..Carlsen is doing it himself and in his own way..which I would think deserves some respect. Mr Anand is certainly not the force he used to be..but still deserves some respect a WCC because nobody can beat him right now...well ..Carlsens demolishing game in ths tourney certainly dropped te gauntlet.....I think the kid is ready .....or...(sue me) long as FIDE behaves..he's the next WCC. I think he'll even quit chess once he wins the title...just to make life interesting again.

Thomas's picture

Ivanchuk had an even more spectacular rating drop in the first half of 2009, going from 2779 to 2703 in six months (six events). Did he also have growing pains? He turned 40 in March 2009 ... .

Bartleby's picture

By example you thoroughly refuted the assertion "All players who have spectacular rating losses have growing pains". Now all that remains is to find somebody who has made this assertion...
In a wider context, the Ivanchuk example demonstrates what Mike Magnan hopes for Nakamura. He can learn from it, and come back stronger (and wiser, perhaps).

Thomas's picture

I just meant to say that Nakamura's rating loss also doesn't necessarily reflect growth pains. I said it before: for me Nakamura is a bit like Ivanchuk, inherently unstable - and I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't change in the coming, say, five or ten years.
Technically, Ivanchuk didn't come back stronger: he neither reached his peak rating again (2787 in October 2007, 2786 in October 2008) nor his ranking (second in 10/2007, third in 10/2008). The latter is partly because some players - at least Carlsen and Aronian - became even stronger and out of reach for Chucky.
The same might apply to Nakamura: I would say not just Carlsen and Aronian, but also Radjabov and Caruana are out of reach for him (he might prove me wrong). It's less clear in Karjakin's case, and Kramnik and Anand (whom many already write off) might decline and/or retire in the rather near future - again this means 5-10 years.

RG13's picture

If Carlsen manages to win the WC and then promptly quits chess, his legendary status will be ensured for all time. Only Morphy and Fischer quit the game as undefeated champs. Kasparov also quit while he was still the number #1 rated player in the world but he had already lost a WC match by that point.

Angel's picture

@RG13 you forgot Alekhine, yeah, he was beaten once but he regain his spot as champion and kept it until the day he died.

Anonymous's picture

2847.6 will be rounded to 2848, not 2847, so if you must round it now you should not round it to 2847.

Anonymous's picture

Nakamura won Corus and then lost against his own arrogance ( his statement about Caruana was outrageous... he is paying it heavily ... )
The day Nakamura cure this disastrous vice we will get a fantastic player

Anonymous's picture

nice to see Andreikin in the top 25 ! great player

harvey's picture

Ding should have the potential to climb the ladder during some tournaments.

Mike Magnan's picture

Ivanchuk is different.....I understand his flights...being an lows are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYY lownad then my highs are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYhigh...he's like that. It's temperment. At his most brilliant..he can beat the best. In his lows...can lose badly. Price you pay with that sort of mind. The difference between him and Carlsen is that besides the last olympiad when (SHOCK OF ALL SHOCKS) Carlsen LOST rating pints....Carlsen has played plus 2800 avg [erformance for at least 2 years. Thats freaking astounding!! The only other player to dominate like that was Morphy..Fischer..and Kasparov..(Who I'll sayy again..made his rating beating 2500 and 2600 players with a house full of analists.) Computers made everything equal. Carlsen is a step ahead by just playing chess and avoiding long lines. It's interesting to note 1600 or so players making making comments while looking at all the drivel their engines run...bleh...Carlsen is something else in my view.

Mike Magnan's picture

You heard it here first. I';m positive Carlsen will quit chess before anyone expects him to. He's done it all. What's the point of going on with this stupid FIDE organization? He'll find greener pastures.

Mike Magnan's picture

You heard it here first. I';m positive Carlsen will quit chess before anyone expects him to. He's done it all. What's the point of going on with this stupid FIDE organization? He'll find greener pastures.

boardgame's picture

Im not so sure. He is breathing chess so to speak. I think on "60 minutes" he admitted that his mind is more or less circling around chess constantly. I don't think he can live without the tournaments etc., not yet. I don't expect him to quit within the next 10 years at least. Time will tell.

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