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		<title>Comment on Svidler wins Aker Chess Challenge by guitarspider</title>
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		<dc:creator>guitarspider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah really, they're not very helpful. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah really, they&#8217;re not very helpful. <img src='http://www.chessvibes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Svidler wins Aker Chess Challenge by Peter Doggers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Doggers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do I write photo captions...? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do I write photo captions&#8230;? <img src='http://www.chessvibes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Svidler wins Aker Chess Challenge by MamedyarovFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MamedyarovFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM Carlsen's prize of 16,000 was in Norwegian Kroner (which equals approximately 1,700 Euro), presumably because his native currency would be more convenient for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM Carlsen&#8217;s prize of 16,000 was in Norwegian Kroner (which equals approximately 1,700 Euro), presumably because his native currency would be more convenient for him.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Svidler wins Aker Chess Challenge by leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Svidler won. his award was 3000.
Carlson lost. his award was 16000.

What was the reason????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Svidler won. his award was 3000.<br />
Carlson lost. his award was 16000.</p>
<p>What was the reason????</p>
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		<title>Comment on Svidler wins Aker Chess Challenge by Michel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good result for Svidler. I think he needed that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good result for Svidler. I think he needed that!</p>
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		<title>Comment on FIDE Congress: what will change in chess? by Daan Zult</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daan Zult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bartlomiej
Ow, I see now I wrote used Macieja for your name, I inteded to use Bartlomiej :) sorry for that and thanks for the thought provoking ideas!
Daan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bartlomiej<br />
Ow, I see now I wrote used Macieja for your name, I inteded to use Bartlomiej <img src='http://www.chessvibes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> sorry for that and thanks for the thought provoking ideas!<br />
Daan</p>
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		<title>Comment on FIDE Congress: what will change in chess? by Daan Zult</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daan Zult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interersting discussion!
I use the system of Elo ratings in my work so I like to add something to the discussion, since I think two important points are missing in Macieja's argumentation. 
Macieja is correct in saying that when the K-factor is increased, a person's Elo rating converges to his "true chess skill" more fast. However, once a person's Elo rating represents his true chess skill, a larger K-factor introduces larger fluctuations of his Elo rating around his true skill.
This means that players can have ratings that differ quite a lot from their true chess skill due to the high K-factor. This effect is even increased when rating lists appear more frequently.

This point can be seen when we imagine an extreme situation.
Let's say we use a K-factor of 1000, then when any player wins a few games in a row he can suddenly be the highest rated player in the world.
When we consider a smaller and more realistic scale, lets say the K-factor goes from 10 to 30 for high rated players. Then one good tournament of any top 10 player could make him the number one on the next rating list, which would be a bit awkward.

Another argument that Macieja used in favor of a higher K-factor has two sides. He states that according to the simplest mathematical model there should be more 2700 players then there are in reality, and that this issue would be resolved with a higher K-factor. This is not completely true, due to the dynamic nature of the chess world. There are new players entering the system all the time. The simples mathematical model predicts that all ratings would eventually become normally distributed, and that the best players would have ratings that are on the right side of this distribution. However, because new players enter the Elo system all the time, there will always be players that are still under-rated. The day these under-rated players achieve their real high Elo rating, new players have entered the system that are under-rated. Therefore the actual distribution of Elo ratings will never be exactly like the normal distribution that is assumed by the model.
Basically, players who are strong will have a low rating untill they reach their true skill, and players who are weak will have a "high" rating untill they reach their true skill. So there will always be under and over-rated players, which is why the tails of the distribution will always be thinner then they should be according to the normal distribution.

To summarise, increasing the K-factor increases the speed in which players can change their Elo rating, but it will also introduce higher fluctuations which can create awkward situations in the top of the rating list.

Cheers,
Daan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interersting discussion!<br />
I use the system of Elo ratings in my work so I like to add something to the discussion, since I think two important points are missing in Macieja&#8217;s argumentation.<br />
Macieja is correct in saying that when the K-factor is increased, a person&#8217;s Elo rating converges to his &#8220;true chess skill&#8221; more fast. However, once a person&#8217;s Elo rating represents his true chess skill, a larger K-factor introduces larger fluctuations of his Elo rating around his true skill.<br />
This means that players can have ratings that differ quite a lot from their true chess skill due to the high K-factor. This effect is even increased when rating lists appear more frequently.</p>
<p>This point can be seen when we imagine an extreme situation.<br />
Let&#8217;s say we use a K-factor of 1000, then when any player wins a few games in a row he can suddenly be the highest rated player in the world.<br />
When we consider a smaller and more realistic scale, lets say the K-factor goes from 10 to 30 for high rated players. Then one good tournament of any top 10 player could make him the number one on the next rating list, which would be a bit awkward.</p>
<p>Another argument that Macieja used in favor of a higher K-factor has two sides. He states that according to the simplest mathematical model there should be more 2700 players then there are in reality, and that this issue would be resolved with a higher K-factor. This is not completely true, due to the dynamic nature of the chess world. There are new players entering the system all the time. The simples mathematical model predicts that all ratings would eventually become normally distributed, and that the best players would have ratings that are on the right side of this distribution. However, because new players enter the Elo system all the time, there will always be players that are still under-rated. The day these under-rated players achieve their real high Elo rating, new players have entered the system that are under-rated. Therefore the actual distribution of Elo ratings will never be exactly like the normal distribution that is assumed by the model.<br />
Basically, players who are strong will have a low rating untill they reach their true skill, and players who are weak will have a &#8220;high&#8221; rating untill they reach their true skill. So there will always be under and over-rated players, which is why the tails of the distribution will always be thinner then they should be according to the normal distribution.</p>
<p>To summarise, increasing the K-factor increases the speed in which players can change their Elo rating, but it will also introduce higher fluctuations which can create awkward situations in the top of the rating list.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Daan</p>
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		<title>Comment on FIDE Congress: what will change in chess? by Bartlomiej Macieja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bartlomiej Macieja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>xtra,
so many people speak about the inflation, but the problem is that everybody understands something else.

If they mean that "less chess skill is required to maintain a certain rating over time" I will leave it without a comment, as I have not seen (or made myself) any proper study. It is quite possible, though the answer may depend on the rating possesed and also may depend on the period. We could have both inflation and deflation in the same period on various rating levels, we could also have both inflation and deflation on the same rating level in different periods.

If they mean, that the avarage rating of chess players (even those rated over 2203 - to avoid the problem of the decreased rating floor) is growing all the time, I would not be so sure, basing on my own studies.

The main problem is that many people don't understand why the number of chess players rated over 2600 (or 2700) is growing and this is what they call "inflation" o even "unexplainable inflation", thinking that the whole system has collapsed. Obviously, I cannot agree with this.

Remco,
I will try to write a bit more on the K-factor and on the rating inflation soon.

Thank you for all the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>xtra,<br />
so many people speak about the inflation, but the problem is that everybody understands something else.</p>
<p>If they mean that &#8220;less chess skill is required to maintain a certain rating over time&#8221; I will leave it without a comment, as I have not seen (or made myself) any proper study. It is quite possible, though the answer may depend on the rating possesed and also may depend on the period. We could have both inflation and deflation in the same period on various rating levels, we could also have both inflation and deflation on the same rating level in different periods.</p>
<p>If they mean, that the avarage rating of chess players (even those rated over 2203 - to avoid the problem of the decreased rating floor) is growing all the time, I would not be so sure, basing on my own studies.</p>
<p>The main problem is that many people don&#8217;t understand why the number of chess players rated over 2600 (or 2700) is growing and this is what they call &#8220;inflation&#8221; o even &#8220;unexplainable inflation&#8221;, thinking that the whole system has collapsed. Obviously, I cannot agree with this.</p>
<p>Remco,<br />
I will try to write a bit more on the K-factor and on the rating inflation soon.</p>
<p>Thank you for all the comments.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two more fighting draws in Ivanchuk-Leko by Jagdish Dube.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jagdish Dube.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivanchuk has already won the 5th game.6th game is drawn.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Grandmaster norms in Groningen by Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About Miguoel, there has been an article about his performance in Groningen at the Chesscool website, so for the people who are interested ...</description>
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