Aronian draws with Radjabov in 12 moves, wins Tata Steel

Levon Aronian drew his last-round game with Teimour Radjabov in just 12 moves and thus secured clear first at the 74th Tata Steel chess tournament in Wijk aan Zee, The Netherlands. Pentala Harikrishna won the B group while Maxim Turov emerged as the winner in 'C'.
Levon Aronian giving the traditional winner's speech at the closing ceremony on Sunday night
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In the five and a half years that this site has existed, we have never witnessed what happened in the final round in Wijk aan Zee today: that a game between two elite players finished before the photographers had left the stage. The game between tournament leader Levon Aronian and runner-up Teimour Radjabov could have been an exicting one, because the player from Azerbaijan could still finish shared first if he won. Instead, already at move 10 the players started repeating moves and then shook hands. (Magnus Carlsen was the next player to shake Aronian's hand, and congratulated him.)

Levon Aronian finished his game (and won the tournament) before finishing his tea
This was of course a big anti-climax of what had been a great tournament, and some (photo) journalists who were walking back from the stage to the press room, were joking whether they should be considering a different profession! Much has been said about short draws in chess, especially after the Candidates matches in Kazan last year, and also today this whole thing led to a heavy debat in the comments section below this article.
All we can add is that Aronian can certainly not be blamed. The Armenian played a fantastic tournament and finished as the deserved winner. In fact Aronian himself considered it to be the best individual performance in his career thus far, as he noted in a brief press conference on Sunday afternoon.
I woke up at 6am, went to bed at 1am. I had trouble sleeping as I wasn't sure what to play. I was in good form, but friends told me: 'You'll play for a win next time!' So I just tried to forget about te result and the tournament, but in the end I couldn't.
Aronian felt that his game in the penultimate round against Boris Gelfand had been his best.
Not because the game was good, but because it was was such a tense game. We both had timetrouble and the position was far from clear all the time. I think it was important that I managed to stay calm and he was the one who didn't handle the pressure.

The tournament winner felt that he had improved mentally.
I've been working on being able to strike back, not being upset about losing. [After the loss against Navara] I was very upset, but the more upset you are, the more you are motivated to come back. It's in any kind of activity that requires you to perform well all the time. I don't consider myself a good player unless I can strike back after a loss! Before the tournament I was thinking 'this might not be my tournament'. I felt I had problems in certain chess areas, and I would work on it in February, I would just do my best.. I still have those problems and I will still work on them!
Teimour Radjabov said about the short draw:
I was surprised by his opening choice. I had expected him to go for a win in an effort to reach first place on FIDE’s world rating list, and prepared for a completely different line. I ended up slightly worse with black and a draw was fine with me. I was happy to be the only player to remain unbeaten.
Radjabov eventually finished shared second with Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana, who all scored 8/13, a point less than the winner. Carlsen tried to beat Loek van Wely, using the Stonewall, but only reached a slight advantage, not more.

Caruana joined the other two thanks to a last-round win against Boris Gelfand. The Israeli went back to his Petroff Defence, and the position was a draw for a long time, until Gelfand collapsed in the end.
The Italian grandmaster, who will turn 20 later this year, won the 500-euro daily prize for this victory and he received the envelope on stage during the closing ceremony. He was also awarded a special 'young talent' prize and it was the now 101-year-old Professor Van Hulst who delivered it to him!

After congratulating Caruana (who by the way has entered the live ratings top 10!) Van Hulst urged him to enjoy other aspects in life as well, such as "art, literature and family!"
Gata Kamsky hasn't been given much attention in this event, but the American eventually finished his tournament on a respectable +1 score. In the final round he beat Veselin Topalov, who has been struggling with his form throughout the event.

With a number of draws in the key games, nothing changed in the B group either and so Pentala Harikrishna of India maintained his half-point lead until the very end. He will be invited to the A group of the 75th edition in 2013.

Pentala Harikrishna receiving the first prize from the mayor of Velzen
In the C group Maxim Turov won another convincing game against Etienne Goudriaan and saw co-leader Hans Tikkanen getting into big trouble against Tania Sachdev. Eventually the Swedish GM managed to draw the game, but it meant that Turov will be playing in B next year.

Maxim Turov qualified for the C group by winning the BDO tournament last summer, and now qualified for 'B'!

The traditional pea soup dinner & closing ceremony

Levon Aronian holding the special Wijk aan Zee plaque...

...giving the traditional winner's speech...

...and celebrating his victory with his girlfriend Arianne Caoili, who played in the 9-round event and in fact won her group as well! Behind them is a delegation of local Armenians, who came along and brought a flag.
Daily official video
Games group A, round 13
Tata Steel 2012 | Grandmaster Group A | Pairings
| Round 1 | 14.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 2 | 15.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Navara | ½-½ | Topalov | Topalov | ½-½ | Van Wely | |
| Gelfand | 0-1 | Giri | Gashimov | ½-½ | Kamsky | |
| Radjabov | ½-½ | Caruana | Ivanchuk | ½-½ | Carlsen | |
| Karjakin | 0-1 | Aronian | Aronian | 1-0 | Nakamura | |
| Nakamura | ½-½ | Ivanchuk | Caruana | 1-0 | Karjakin | |
| Carlsen | 1-0 | Gashimov | Giri | ½-½ | Radjabov | |
| Kamsky | ½-½ | Van Wely | Navara | ½-½ | Gelfand | |
| Round 3 | 16.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 4 | 17.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Gelfand | ½-½ | Topalov | Topalov | ½-½ | Gashimov | |
| Radjabov | 1-0 | Navara | Ivanchuk | ½-½ | Van Wely | |
| Karjakin | 1-0 | Giri | Aronian | 1-0 | Kamsky | |
| Nakamura | ½-½ | Caruana | Caruana | ½-½ | Carlsen | |
| Carlsen | 1-0 | Aronian | Giri | ½-½ | Nakamura | |
| Kamsky | ½-½ | Ivanchuk | Navara | 0-1 | Karjakin | |
| Van Wely | ½-½ | Gashimov | Gelfand | ½-½ | Radjabov | |
| Round 5 | 19.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 6 | 20.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Radjabov | ½-½ | Topalov | Topalov | ½-½ | Ivanchuk | |
| Karjakin | 0-1 | Gelfand | Aronian | 1-0 | Gashimov | |
| Nakamura | 1-0 | Navara | Caruana | ½-½ | Van Wely | |
| Carlsen | ½-½ | Giri | Giri | 1-0 | Kamsky | |
| Kamsky | ½-½ | Caruana | Navara | ½-½ | Carlsen | |
| Van Wely | ½-½ | Aronian | Gelfand | 0-1 | Nakamura | |
| Gashimov | 0-1 | Ivanchuk | Radjabov | 1-0 | Karjakin | |
| Round 7 | 21.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 8 | 22.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Karjakin | 1-0 | Topalov | Topalov | ½-½ | Aronian | |
| Nakamura | ½-½ | Radjabov | Caruana | ½-½ | Ivanchuk | |
| Carlsen | 1-0 | Gelfand | Giri | 0-1 | Gashimov | |
| Kamsky | 1-0 | Navara | Navara | ½-½ | Van Wely | |
| Van Wely | ½-½ | Giri | Gelfand | ½-½ | Kamsky | |
| Gashimov | ½-½ | Caruana | Radjabov | ½-½ | Carlsen | |
| Ivanchuk | ½-½ | Aronian | Karjakin | ½-½ | Nakamura | |
| Round 9 | 24.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 10 | 25.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Nakamura | ½-½ | Topalov | Topalov | 0-1 | Caruana | |
| Carlsen | 0-1 | Karjakin | Giri | 0-1 | Aronian | |
| Kamsky | ½-½ | Radjabov | Navara | 0-1 | Ivanchuk | |
| Van Wely | ½-½ | Gelfand | Gelfand | ½-½ | Gashimov | |
| Gashimov | ½-½ | Navara | Radjabov | ½-½ | Van Wely | |
| Ivanchuk | 1-0 | Giri | Karjakin | 0-1 | Kamsky | |
| Aronian | 1-0 | Caruana | Nakamura | ½-½ | Carlsen | |
| Round 11 | 27.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 12 | 28.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Carlsen | 1-0 | Topalov | Topalov | 1-0 | Giri | |
| Kamsky | ½-½ | Nakamura | Navara | ½-½ | Caruana | |
| Van Wely | 0-1 | Karjakin | Gelfand | 0-1 | Aronian | |
| Gashimov | 0-1 | Radjabov | Radjabov | ½-½ | Ivanchuk | |
| Ivanchuk | 0-1 | Gelfand | Karjakin | ½-½ | Gashimov | |
| Aronian | 0-1 | Navara | Nakamura | 1-0 | Van Wely | |
| Caruana | 1-0 | Giri | Carlsen | ½-½ | Kamsky | |
| Round 13 | 29.01.12 | 12.00 CET | ||||
| Kamsky | 1-0 | Topalov | ||||
| Van Wely | ½-½ | Carlsen | ||||
| Gashimov | ½-½ | Nakamura | ||||
| Ivanchuk | ½-½ | Karjakin | ||||
| Aronian | ½-½ | Radjabov | ||||
| Caruana | 1-0 | Gelfand | ||||
| Giri | ½-½ | Navara |
Tata Steel 2012 | Grandmaster Group A | Round 13 standings
Games group B, round 13
Tata Steel 2012 | Grandmaster Group B | Pairings
| Round 1 | 14.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 2 | 15.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Reinderman | ½-½ | Motylev | Motylev | ½-½ | Potkin | |
| Bruzon | 0-1 | Harikrishna | Tiviakov | 1-0 | Timman | |
| Lahno | 1-0 | Ernst | Nyzhnyk | ½-½ | l'Ami | |
| Harika | ½-½ | Vocaturo | Vocaturo | 1-0 | Cmilyte | |
| Cmilyte | 0-1 | Nyzhnyk | Ernst | ½-½ | Harika | |
| l'Ami | 1-0 | Tiviakov | Harikrishna | 1-0 | Lahno | |
| Timman | ½-½ | Potkin | Reinderman | ½-½ | Bruzon | |
| Round 3 | 16.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 4 | 17.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Bruzon | ½-½ | Motylev | Motylev | 1-0 | Tiviakov | |
| Lahno | ½-½ | Reinderman | Nyzhnyk | ½-½ | Potkin | |
| Harika | 0-1 | Harikrishna | Vocaturo | ½-½ | Timman | |
| Cmilyte | 1-0 | Ernst | Ernst | 1-0 | l'Ami | |
| l'Ami | 1-0 | Vocaturo | Harikrishna | ½-½ | Cmilyte | |
| Timman | 1-0 | Nyzhnyk | Reinderman | ½-½ | Harika | |
| Potkin | 0-1 | Tiviakov | Bruzon | ½-½ | Lahno | |
| Round 5 | 19.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 6 | 20.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Lahno | 0-1 | Motylev | Motylev | ½-½ | Nyzhnyk | |
| Harika | 0-1 | Bruzon | Vocaturo | ½-½ | Tiviakov | |
| Cmilyte | ½-½ | Reinderman | Ernst | 1-0 | Potkin | |
| l'Ami | ½-½ | Harikrishna | Harikrishna | 1-0 | Timman | |
| Timman | 1-0 | Ernst | Reinderman | ½-½ | l'Ami | |
| Potkin | ½-½ | Vocaturo | Bruzon | 1-0 | Cmilyte | |
| Tiviakov | ½-½ | Nyzhnyk | Lahno | ½-½ | Harika | |
| Round 7 | 21.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 8 | 22.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Harika | ½-½ | Motylev | Motylev | 1-0 | Vocaturo | |
| Cmilyte | ½-½ | Lahno | Ernst | ½-½ | Nyzhnyk | |
| l'Ami | ½-½ | Bruzon | Harikrishna | ½-½ | Tiviakov | |
| Timman | 0-1 | Reinderman | Reinderman | 0-1 | Potkin | |
| Potkin | ½-½ | Harikrishna | Bruzon | 1-0 | Timman | |
| Tiviakov | 0-1 | Ernst | Lahno | 0-1 | l'Ami | |
| Nyzhnyk | 1-0 | Vocaturo | Harika | ½-½ | Cmilyte | |
| Round 9 | 24.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 10 | 25.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Cmilyte | ½-½ | Motylev | Motylev | 1-0 | Ernst | |
| l'Ami | 1-0 | Harika | Harikrishna | 1-0 | Vocaturo | |
| Timman | ½-½ | Lahno | Reinderman | 1-0 | Nyzhnyk | |
| Potkin | 0-1 | Bruzon | Bruzon | ½-½ | Tiviakov | |
| Tiviakov | 1-0 | Reinderman | Lahno | ½-½ | Potkin | |
| Nyzhnyk | 0-1 | Harikrishna | Harika | ½-½ | Timman | |
| Vocaturo | 1-0 | Ernst | Cmilyte | 0-1 | l'Ami | |
| Round 11 | 27.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 12 | 28.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| l'Ami | ½-½ | Motylev | Motylev | ½-½ | Harikrishna | |
| Timman | 1-0 | Cmilyte | Reinderman | 1-0 | Ernst | |
| Potkin | 1-0 | Harika | Bruzon | 1-0 | Vocaturo | |
| Tiviakov | 1-0 | Lahno | Lahno | 0-1 | Nyzhnyk | |
| Nyzhnyk | 1-0 | Bruzon | Harika | 0-1 | Tiviakov | |
| Vocaturo | 0-1 | Reinderman | Cmilyte | ½-½ | Potkin | |
| Ernst | 1-0 | Harikrishna | l'Ami | ½-½ | Timman | |
| Round 13 | 29.01.12 | 12.00 CET | ||||
| Timman | ½-½ | Motylev | ||||
| Potkin | 1-0 | l'Ami | ||||
| Tiviakov | 1-0 | Cmilyte | ||||
| Nyzhnyk | 1-0 | Harika | ||||
| Vocaturo | ½-½ | Lahno | ||||
| Ernst | 0-1 | Bruzon | ||||
| Harikrishna | ½-½ | Reinderman |
Tata Steel 2012 | Grandmaster Group B | Round 13 standings
Games group C, round 13
Tata Steel 2012 | Grandmaster Group C | Pairings
| Round 1 | 14.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 2 | 15.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Sadler | 1-0 | Hopman | Hopman | 0-1 | Turov | |
| Tania | ½-½ | Grover | Schut | ½-½ | Danielian | |
| Paehtz | 0-1 | Tikkanen | Haast | ½-½ | Goudriaan | |
| Brandenburg | ½-½ | Ootes | Ootes | ½-½ | Adhiban | |
| Adhiban | 1-0 | Haast | Tikkanen | ½-½ | Brandenburg | |
| Goudriaan | 1-0 | Schut | Grover | 1-0 | Paehtz | |
| Danielian | 0-1 | Turov | Sadler | ½-½ | Tania | |
| Round 3 | 16.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 4 | 17.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Tania | ½-½ | Hopman | Hopman | 0-1 | Schut | |
| Paehtz | ½-½ | Sadler | Haast | 0-1 | Turov | |
| Brandenburg | ½-½ | Grover | Ootes | 1-0 | Danielian | |
| Adhiban | ½-½ | Tikkanen | Tikkanen | 1-0 | Goudriaan | |
| Goudriaan | 1-0 | Ootes | Grover | 0-1 | Adhiban | |
| Danielian | ½-½ | Haast | Sadler | ½-½ | Brandenburg | |
| Turov | 1-0 | Schut | Tania | 0-1 | Paehtz | |
| Round 5 | 19.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 6 | 20.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Paehtz | ½-½ | Hopman | Hopman | 1-0 | Haast | |
| Brandenburg | ½-½ | Tania | Ootes | 0-1 | Schut | |
| Adhiban | ½-½ | Sadler | Tikkanen | ½-½ | Turov | |
| Goudriaan | 0-1 | Grover | Grover | ½-½ | Danielian | |
| Danielian | 0-1 | Tikkanen | Sadler | ½-½ | Goudriaan | |
| Turov | 1-0 | Ootes | Tania | ½-½ | Adhiban | |
| Schut | 1-0 | Haast | Paehtz | ½-½ | Brandenburg | |
| Round 7 | 21.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 8 | 22.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Brandenburg | 1-0 | Hopman | Hopman | 0-1 | Ootes | |
| Adhiban | 1-0 | Paehtz | Tikkanen | 1-0 | Haast | |
| Goudriaan | ½-½ | Tania | Grover | 1-0 | Schut | |
| Danielian | ½-½ | Sadler | Sadler | ½-½ | Turov | |
| Turov | ½-½ | Grover | Tania | ½-½ | Danielian | |
| Schut | 0-1 | Tikkanen | Paehtz | 1-0 | Goudriaan | |
| Haast | 1-0 | Ootes | Brandenburg | ½-½ | Adhiban | |
| Round 9 | 24.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 10 | 25.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Adhiban | 1-0 | Hopman | Hopman | 1-0 | Tikkanen | |
| Goudriaan | ½-½ | Brandenburg | Grover | 1-0 | Ootes | |
| Danielian | ½-½ | Paehtz | Sadler | 1-0 | Haast | |
| Turov | 1-0 | Tania | Tania | 1-0 | Schut | |
| Schut | ½-½ | Sadler | Paehtz | ½-½ | Turov | |
| Haast | 1-0 | Grover | Brandenburg | 1-0 | Danielian | |
| Ootes | 0-1 | Tikkanen | Adhiban | ½-½ | Goudriaan | |
| Round 11 | 27.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 12 | 28.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Goudriaan | ½-½ | Hopman | Hopman | ½-½ | Grover | |
| Danielian | ½-½ | Adhiban | Sadler | 0-1 | Tikkanen | |
| Turov | ½-½ | Brandenburg | Tania | 0-1 | Ootes | |
| Schut | 0-1 | Paehtz | Paehtz | ½-½ | Haast | |
| Haast | 0-1 | Tania | Brandenburg | 1-0 | Schut | |
| Ootes | ½-½ | Sadler | Adhiban | 0-1 | Turov | |
| Tikkanen | 1-0 | Grover | Goudriaan | 0-1 | Danielian | |
| Round 13 | 29.01.12 | 12.00 CET | ||||
| Danielian | 1-0 | Hopman | ||||
| Turov | 1-0 | Goudriaan | ||||
| Schut | 0-1 | Adhiban | ||||
| Haast | 0-1 | Brandenburg | ||||
| Ootes | 0-1 | Paehtz | ||||
| Tikkanen | ½-½ | Tania | ||||
| Grover | ½-½ | Sadler |
Tata Steel 2012 | Grandmaster Group C | Round 13 standings
















Comments
arkan
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Congrats! Although Radjabov should have tried a little more i think, he could end up #1 as well?
Chess Fan
3 weeks 3 days ago
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I have always had a respect for Radjabov's chess ever since he beat two world champions Kasparov and Anand, both with black, at Linares (of all places) when he was 14 and 15 (How cool was this kid! - very cool I would say). I have always seen him as a potential young world champion till Aronian and Carlsen came along.
I still think he and Karjakin are the real deal along with the MAGnificient two when(if!) Anand passes his torch. Anand will retire and will not be defeated in a world championship match in my opinion. He will play and defeat both Aronian and Magnus in match till/before 2016. But then people will have some other reason to doubt his credentials, I guess. But this is all my prediction. Let us have fun and see how correct and accurate I am. Remember these predictions. I stand by them.
Anonymous
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Aronian now one step closer to matching Anands' career wins at Wyk aan Zee !!!!!
Anonymous
3 weeks 2 days ago
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*Wijk aan Zee. By the way, congrat's to Aronian. Also looking foward to the training match schedualed against Kramnik; very nice prelude to the Wch match Anand vs Gelfand.
noyb
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Someone needs to teach Radja to pop those nasty zits on his chin. Yuck!
bronkenstein
3 weeks 2 days ago
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I don`t think he cares of such details , don`t be so metro on him =)
The Devil
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Really... 12 moves? That's borderline insulting! Carlsen must be pissed the f*ck off!
Thomas
3 weeks 2 days ago
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As I just noticed, Carlsen had no reason to be pissed off at least in terms of prize money (bragging rights for shared first place might be another story). In any case he had to beat van Wely - another story is that he, like most other players, didn't manage.
If Radjabov does not beat Aronian, this would have been clear second place and 7000 Euros.
If Radjabov had beaten Aronian, it would be shared first to third place and (10000+7000+3500)/3 Euros, actually slightly less than 7000!
bronkenstein
3 weeks 2 days ago
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MC spent only few moves more to draw Naka(and practically lose chances for 1st ).
redivivo
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Haha, I'm getting addicted to following games at Chessbomb, people there were furious and said that Aronian was immoral and never should be invited to another Wijk, Radjabov was even worse and should be banned entirely from all chess competitions in the future. Both players were shameful cheating cowards and so on, it was impossible to respect them as persons after his draw, and there were endless posts with much worse and unprintable abuse than that. Especially funny that Aronian was showered with so much hate, apparently it wasn't enough to win 7 games, play excellent chess, decline Gelfand's draw offer and risk a lot with black, become the third highest rated player ever, etc. He was still a useless shameful dirty xxxx and xxxx :-)
Abbas
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Abbas
3 weeks 3 days ago
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By the way, Did they find the organizers who put the draw rules guilty?
I think we shouldn't blame the organizers, but we should blame all the players who follow the draw rules.
redivivo
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Some said that this would never happen with Sofia rules (even if repetitions work just as fine then), but in a situation where both players are happy to draw the game will also be drawn. But most users over there seem to be bullet chess kids that never followed a tournament before. It doesn't matter how many brilliant games Aronian won, securing first place by not taking risks to win also in the last round makes him rotten to the core and, as more than one poster said, he must be disqualified since the reputation of the whole tournament would be destroyed otherwise. You've got to love that place :-)
voyteck
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Well, I wouldn't blame Aronian that much but Radjabov is another matter. What we are talking about is a 12-move draw with black by a player who:
1) had a shot at the title so was in form;
2) usually prefers trying with black than with white and was facing a player only slightly better by rating points;
3) hadn't lost a game the day before;
4) played only third game in a row after a rest day (being only 24).
Unless he was ill there is no excuse for not trying. What did he participated for? What does he play chess for? To draw and get away with money?
Kenneth Kaye
3 weeks 2 days ago
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voyteck is spot on! Sure Aronian should settle for a draw and secure first place, but against an opponent who if he would have won, would have shared first place instead of shared second? Ban Radjabov for the rest of the year! The only way to show the SGM's who regularly play the big events that there will be consequences to this kind of bunk.(I'll refrain from using the stronger language Radjabov deserves.)
The Tata Steel organizers should take the first step and announce immediately that Radjabov will NOT be invited to next year's event.
Shameful!!!
Anthony
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Are you sure Black has a decent continuation other than Nf6? It's easy to become passive in that position.
alberto eduardo...
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Ha sido un torneo extraordinario para recordar por largo tiempo Aronian confirmo su buen nivel de extra clase con un juego muy solido y sobre todo una estabilidad emocional envidiable lo cual hace prever que su perfomance apunta al campeonato del mundo ya lo veremos ............. felicidades LEVO ARONIAN .
David Kaufmann
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Comparto totalmente su opinión! Levon Aronian está imparable. Veremos si puede arrebatarle el primer puesto en la lista mundial a Magnus Carlsen.
redivivo
3 weeks 3 days ago
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An exciting Wijk as always, and congratulations to Aronian for having maybe the tournament of his life, no chess for a long time now as far as I'm concerned, it has been much to follow and discuss the last weeks!
Somrowsky
3 weeks 3 days ago
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After his early draw Aronian was showered with negative comments online. Laughable, considering the quality, the maturity, the stability and the tactical class of his play. Excellent tournament, Levon.
Frits Fritschy
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Quite understandable Radjabov didn't try anything in this game; first of all having black, secondly against a world number 2 who's playing an opening that is as solid as rock.
His early draw yesterday against Ivanchuk is more difficult to grasp: a position with at least a lot to play for, if not better for white.
Hope he won't get court martialled in Azerbeidjan for cowardice in sight of the enemy...
Szoker
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Thats not a nice way to end such an exciting tournament...
I mean 12 moves ?
come on...
Lee
3 weeks 3 days ago
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The comments on chessbomb were pretty funny. Super nerds going nuts.
Aronian after a fantastic tournament only needed a draw to win. Radjabov obliged by offering one early. Only a fool wouldn't accept and take 1st place honours.
Radjabov had quite a few sub 30 move draws in the tournament though and his fighting qualities seem a little suspect.
Anonymous
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Aronian and Radjabov are just a disgrace to chess. They are pathetic. No wonder chess would never gain in popularity. The current chess champion only plays for draws. And now the number two in rankings goes for a 12 moves draw. It's utterly ridiculous.
sadtruth
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Well think about something like football. Leading 1-0 many teams just try to play as boring as possible to win.
moytra
3 weeks 3 days ago
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chill the blob off a££tunnell
MiniMe
3 weeks 3 days ago
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You are being extremely picky. They are human beings, best of them in the chess field, don't be absurd.
Rodzjer
3 weeks 2 days ago
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My advice to you: read the post a bit up, about Aronian's 7 wins (and even more if you count decisive games), battling chess etc.
One game to clinch tournament victory, and you start whining. That's the real disgrace here.
Thomas
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Apparently Aronian-Radjabov took less than five minutes, as photographers were still allowed on stage when the game was over .... . The draw was 'welcome' for both players, particularly Aronian. Harder to understand is why Gashimov-Nakamura was drawn in 11 moves - in a rather interesting position, not even bothering to find a move repetition, and Nakamura could have obtained shared second place by winning that game.
darkergreen
3 weeks 3 days ago
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did they make moves on foot? picture tells that to be so:)
Arnold Jones
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Compare the finals: Novak Djokovic vs Rafael Nadal, 5 hrs 53 min, Aronian vs Radjabov 12 moves!! Massive spectators vs Few ones!!
Thomas
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Such comparisons are odd to say the least: How many people would have watched Aronian-Radjabov if it was guaranteed to last for more than 5 hours? How many people did watch Gelfand-Aronian which took that long? And how many people watch a 100m Olympic final which finishes even more quickly than Aronian-Radjabov? :)
MiniMe
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Aronian - great!
columbo
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Caruana just entered the top 10 ! Congrats to Aronian who played a spectacular tournament !!!
MiniMe
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Such a huge improvement in rating for Aronian - +18, that is huge. Such rating changes don't appear often in top-5. Caruana also amazing rating change, +20, rise of a new player in the elite.
Short Draws
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A 12-move draw is a disgrace, regardless of how well they played in previous rounds. The sporting situation of "securing" a draw to clinch tournament victory should be unacceptable. It is obviously bad in terms of making chess an attractive sport. Those professional players were paid to play 13 games in a tournament, no less.
The question what constitutes a "real" game is problematic, because if you had a 40-move rule, then they would just continue in protest with meaningless manouvering in a symmetrical position and exchange all pieces, reaching bare kings.
The football scoring system has its own drawbacks, because a fighting draw should be rewarded as well. I would say that as long as the players keep their sporting integrity and fight in every game, then we do not need any artificial rules.
Now, Aronian did fight in many games, including in round 12 when he tried to complicate the game at every turn and take risks - that's all true, but that doesn't give more legitimacy to the non-game of round 13.
Making short draws is an expression of human weakness. I would propose the following: the prize money (or appearance fee) each player receives will be reduced for each "uneventful" draw. The decision what constitutes "uneventful" will be determined by a special committiee, perhaps with some input in terms of public voting. I would define "uneventful" as: "clear lack of intention on a player's part to fight." This is not an ideal proposition, because it opens the door to other problems of dishonesty and corruption, but maybe an improved version of this would be a good solution. Any suggestions?
MiniMe
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Actually, that does give more legitimacy to the non-game of round 13. As far as I am concerned they didn't break any rules, they did what was allowed to do, thus everything is ok.
moytra
3 weeks 2 days ago
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tell that to lance armstrong and tour de france you fool
robpz
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Have you ever seen the last stage of the Tour de France?
Drag Queen
3 weeks 2 days ago
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let them do what they want.If you dont like it stop looking.
Short Draws
3 weeks 3 days ago
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No, they didn't break the rules, but they broke the sporting spirit of the competition. A sporting situation is a precondition for any tournament, and that means: a fight between two sides (individual players or teams). If there is no fighting spirit in a single game - that breaks the spirit of the competition. If there is no competition - then that single game:
Should not be a source of financial reward for the participants.
Should not count towards other games that are part of a legitimate tournament.
Should not be displayed publicly over the internet as a "competitive chess game", because it is not.
And so on.
There is a problem with the current regulations, and with the current social norms of what's acceptable chess behavior. People are talking about it for years, but no satisfactory solution has been found so far.
I don't agree that classical chess is dead, as has been suggested by Grischuk after the Candidates. The large number of black wins at the highest level in recent tournaments proves the opposite. But I do think that a game which shows No Fighting Intention from the Participants should not be tolerated. My proposal above (financial consequences for such a non-sporting behavior) is in the direction of getting rid of those non-games.
MiniMe
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Ok, I can understand that. You are right, but on the other hand maybe it's wrong to concentrate on a single game, and look at the greater picture - the whole tournament. Aronian won seven games, many years in Tata Steel Chess nobody won so many victories and so few draws, you have to give a respect to that. We can think of a tournament as a one long single game, with overall winners and losers, than everything is fine. Players do often spare their energies in some days, and fight vigorously in other.
I think both guys, especially Aronian, just went out of fuel, and that is really not surprising, especially for Aronian who overall in the tournament showed a fighting spirit Tata Steel Chess tournament haven't seen for years (literally, just according to statistics).
Al Hughes
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Agree. I think everyone seemed pretty spent by the last round. Just let Lev finish his tea, give him the trophy and let's go home. Given the fights seen in the previous twelve rounds, I don't see any great grounds for complaint.
Harish Srinivasan
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Its quite amusing how a draw to secure victory can be ridiculed. These are professional chess players for whom chess is the source of income for their bread and butter. If by securing a draw, Aronian can ensure (i) prize money, (ii) invitation to Bilbao and (iii) invitation back to wijk next year as defending champion, then it is absolutely the correct way to go. It is due to Aronian's great play that he put himself in this nice predicament of needing only a draw with white in the last round. It would be nice with chess fans grow up and start considering chess as a professional sport and start respecting chess players. It is not because of short draws that chess is not popular, it is more because of such absurd chess fans. Be a professional chess player and earn your daily money through it and then comment on players.
Short Draws
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Using an insulting language does not make your arguments any stronger. Your response is simply: "I'm an Aronian fan and it's great to see him winning tournaments, money, and more invitations".
I'm speaking of a larger problem in the chess world, not about your favorite player. The two non-games today in Group A are part of a trend that ruins the competitive spirit in a chess tournament. It's not only the players' fault. The organizers can do better to fight against it, as well as public opinion on the topic.
As stated in my other posts: I would like to see a situation in which it is not legitimate to have a non-game. This needs cooperated efforts from all parties involved.
Being "professional" should mean having a fighting spirit in every game, and that should be rewarded.
columbo
3 weeks 3 days ago
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" insulting language " ??? Harish Srinivasan didn't insult anyone, he put 3 arguments on the table, valuables ones ... You have a bad taste in your mouth ? did you watch the whole Tata Steel ? how can you talk about Aronian lack of fighting spirits ??? he was there on the battle field since the beginning of the tournament ! He showed us all incredible and classy games, he deserves the price.
Short Draws
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Insulting language:
"It would be nice if chess fans will grow up"
"chess is not more popular because of such absurd chess fans"
"Be a professional chess player before you can comment"
"It's quite amusing" - and all that to a very serious topic that I raised, and which has not been answered yet by anyone of the cheerleaders here.
This is not about Aronian, so stop responding with how great he played. We know that already.
It is about playing non-games, by ANY professional chess player, and about the fact that such a behavior is tolerated by organizers and sponsors.
Have you seen any other sport in which a non-game is accepted, and calculated into the total result?
alfonso
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Yes, I have seen other sport in which a "non-game" is accepted. The last stage of the Tour of France (and other major cycling events) is not really disputed by the top riders, it is only a pleasure walk for the victor. Today Aronian has had his Champs Elysees. Nothing really horrible, methinks.
Harish Srinivasan
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Its pretty obvious that I am not an Aronian fan. As long as Vishy plays the game I am and will always be a fan of him. But in general I am also a chess fan and don't like it when people complain about the game. You speak of the larger problem in chess. The larger problem that you are talking about is only a problem because it is viewed as one. If all fans respected chess players and considered them as people who are playing the game not just due to the passion but also to earn for their living they would not speak like this. A three fold repetition at the 12th move did not happen in the first 12 rounds of the tournament. Each day 7 games are played and in a total of 72 games there was one game a 12 move draw happened and that too for perfectly fine reasons from Aronian's perspective. For such a small thing if fans stand up and disrespect the players, yes chess will never get popular.
Short Draws
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Thank you for responding in a more respectful tone this time.
First of all, there was an 11-move final draw as well in the A Group, and without a threefold repetition.
Second, I agree that the tournament as a whole was a good one, but there were other tournaments with many more short draws (Candidates 2011), and you cannot deny that it is a recurring issue.
When you start tolerating short draws, how many of them are permissible? 1? 2? 20? What you are saying is: they make short draws because they make a living playing professional chess and need to protect their income. I don't agree with this argument. They should play the game to its logical end, and if it's a draw -fine. If one person wins - then that's fine.
Fearing to play a real game is not a professional behavior.
Now, you can say: chess has been like that for decades, and this behavior was seen among almost all the leading players, including world champions. It has become part of our tradition. This is all true, but I come back to the same issue: A non-game should not be accepted as legitimate, because it violates the sporting spirit of the competition, no matter how you look at it.
And this has not yet been answered satisfactorily.
MiniMe
3 weeks 2 days ago
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That is your problem, you are making some drama out of nothing. I am perfectly fine with the way things are in chess.
It is up to players to decide when they want to draw, why ? because draws are part of the chess. And you know what ? Offering draws and giving agreement to draws are part of the game we call CHESS as well, didn't you know it? If you don't like it, than you don't like chess in its all aspects.
It doesn't matter how many draws there are, because in a Tournament you have only one goal - to win the tournament without breaking rules of the game called CHESS. Without the opportunity of mutually agreed draws chess is not a chess, but something else, at least not classical chess. As far as CHESS tournaments produces its winners and losers, everything is just fine.
Harish Srinivasan
3 weeks 2 days ago
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It is not a recurring issue. A big deal is made of the draws only in the last few years. We have had more short agreed draws in the past than nowadays. Take a look at the article (published on chessbase and other places) on the number of short draws and how they have changed from past to now (with or without the sofia rule). In general they have gone down. But then, somehow some part of the chess world has always find somethings to complain about nowadays. There is overall less appreciation of chess as they don't seem to understand how physically and mentally demanding it is. Chess players are ridiculed on draws, the blunders they make etc. Much of these is because of computers too. In general the respect the chess players get these days has gone down. And that is clearly because of fans like you. Look at the banter already on this one round.
giovlinn
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Yeah, seems pretty rational to me.
giovlinn
3 weeks 2 days ago
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LOL, I answered the wrong person!
Rodzjer
3 weeks 2 days ago
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It's short sighted to say that about the "larger problem in the chess world". These guys presented us a great tournament with fighting spirit.
Compare it to a Formula 1 race. The leader goes all out for 64 laps and on the 65th lap he's holding back a bit, taking no risks. And suddenly all Formula 1 fans start whining... This tournament had 13 rounds. Don't start whining about what happened in the last round!
Short Draws
3 weeks 3 days ago
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The tournament as a whole was great, but ending it like that leaves bad taste. Besides, I'm not talking only about this game, but about a recurring problem of non-fighting draws which we see again and again. This should not be a legitimate option. If the players are tired - then have more rest days. In the old days they played tournaments of 21 games, and the games were longer and with adjournments. I would like to see a situation in which a non-fighting draw is simply not an option, and would be considered by players, organizers, sponsors, and fans, as immoral. Accordingly, the playing conditions have to support that, the players' attitude, and so on.
Any comments on my proposal above in an earlier comment (financial consequences to an uneventful draw)?
Anonymous
3 weeks 2 days ago
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These "immoral" players should be given 10 lashes in the town square. Then we should call their moms and tell them what naughty boys they have been
MiniMe
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Shame on you.
Anonymous
3 weeks 2 days ago
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I think he was being sarcastic. Read the comment above
Frank Sträter
3 weeks 3 days ago
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I don't mind the occasional last round short draw, but Radjabov really annoyed me this tournament (too many early draw offers). I expect that the tournament organisation will not invite him next year for lack of fighting spirit. I'm happy to see Aronian in next year's edition.
Bert de Bruut
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Kasparov has pointed it out already some time ago: among top ten or so players, Nakamura has the lowest draw % and Radjabov the highest, so this cannot really be a surprise to anyone. Still, we want the tournament to be decided over 13 rounds, not 12 (let alone less), but even a "no draw before the xxth move" rule would have sufficed to prevent this non-game, with it's clever (and cowardly) repetition already at move 10. Bah!
Sarunas
3 weeks 3 days ago
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S.H. eagerly awaiting comments prompted me to put in following: why never the arbiter's role in tournaments is given it's due? If we take football for example, the arbiter's role defining the final score quite often surpasses that of some ordinary defence player. At any rate, referee's part in the game is very important.
Alas, in chess it's brutally downgraded and underestimated, to say the least. Every Wijk fan could easily tell all 14 main tournament player names, but how many know the arbiter's name? I personally don't.
In football the arbiter decides whether the goal scored is to be counted for real or is it a fake one. Discontent players shout, spit and curse but must obey his decision.
Now should we carry such arbiter authority into chess, then he could make his final say if Aronian -Rajabov 1/2:1/2 at move 12 with regard to moves made is legal or is 0:1/2 better or is 0:0 the best of all. Instead of insulting the players, let's give the arbiter's job its lost dignity.
rdecredico
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Thankfully more is left to the players. Arbiters are not referees.
Angel
3 weeks 2 days ago
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That has to be the worst idea I've ever heard. One of the worst things about football is precisely the fact that the arbiter has so much power in the outcome of the game.
rdecredico
3 weeks 3 days ago
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Putting oneself in the position to make easy last round draw to secure clear victory in tournament this strong is to be commended.
To the victor goes the spoils.
Congrats to Aronian for a fine achievement.
Short Draws
3 weeks 3 days ago
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And what about the one who played black? And the other game that ended in a short draw? Do a search on chessgames.com on any leading player with the factors: result is draw, number of moves is less than 20 (or less than 25), and you will realize the extent of the problem. Perhaps only about 5% or 10% of these draws are real, fighting games.
All those enthusiastic responses that Aronian played a great tournament are fine, but irrelevant to my main point. It is a larger problem than this, and by tolerating such non-games all those enthusiastic supporters indirectly contribute to not solving this problem.
Regarding the suggested 0:1/2 result or 0:0 - it is too drastic at this point, but it's going in a good direction. I would start with financial consequences, and - yes, to give some power to an outside committee.
Short Draws
3 weeks 2 days ago
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For all those who refuse to confront the main point, let me state it again, so that you will realize how absurd the situation is:
Do you know of any other sport in wich a non-game is tolerated by organizers and sponsors, and is rewarded and calculated into the overall result?
Thomas
3 weeks 2 days ago
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First the general problems with your "proposal": What exactly is an "uneventful draw"? Some games may remain balanced throughout and peter out to a dead-drawn endgame after 20-30 moves. Here it will be hard to prove that neither player even tried to get an advantage (maybe one or both did but didn't succeed).
Aronian-Radjabov was an uneventful draw, actually I think Danailov proposed (or wants to impose) that such games are counted as 0-0. If he gets his way, players will certainly find a way around it - for example they can play a 'sharp' theoretical variation that ends with an absolutely forced repetition. After the game they can claim that they couldn't deviate from the known theoretical path, or even that they re-invented that wheel.
Now the specific problem about today's game: financial consequences would have to be very harsh to make players change their mind. The prize fund isn't given at the homepage, but it is mentioned in the "Tata newspaper" which was distributed at the venue: 10.000-7.000-3.500-2.500-2.000-1.500-1.300 Euros. For Aronian, a draw or a win meant the same financially (plus the Bilbao invitation) while a loss could cost him quite a bit. For Radjabov it was a bit more complicated, but his losing chances would have been at least as high as his winning chances if they had played a full game.
Would you want financial consequences to be several thousand Euros??
Anonymous
3 weeks 2 days ago
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If chess were a sport, the players would be wearing shorts
Lee
3 weeks 2 days ago
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That rules out golf.
Angel
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Personally I don't believe your proposal would have made a difference. I think it would be like 'buying' draws: If Aronian (or any other player for that matter) had a chance to win a tournament by securing a last round draw I don't think they will hesitate to give up some euros of the prize money in order to win by drawing, knowing that the tournament win will eventually bring more money in the form of other tournament invitations.
Yes, I understand your point of not this particular draw but the underlying problem in chess, but honestly we are just talking about this issue because of the 'bad taste' the last round left.
Besides, professional players make a lot of money, it's like when they fined Serena Williams $2000 usd for yelling profanities at the chair umpire a few months ago; do you think that has (or will) shut her up?
I think changing the scoring system would have more impact.
Regards.
Chessy
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Short Draws sounds like a Jehovas Witness to me..
Short Draws
3 weeks 2 days ago
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I don't mind being in minority here, and all the personal insults, but I would like to see at least some intelligent responses to my main points.
birdistheword
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Radjabov has beome a very streamlined professional: He looks at the field and then decides which opponents he wants to try to beat and which he will simply try to draw as quickly as possible to conserve energy. It's a very sound strategy, but the more popular it becomes the more none-games are played and the weaker players will simply be exhausted at the end because everyone else is ganging up on them. (As in the case of Gelfand: everyone sees that he doesn't have enough energy for longer games anymore, so they just keep pushing him until he topples over. Round after round.)
This bothers me as well, but I've no idea what can be done about it.
MiniMe
3 weeks 2 days ago
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There is nothing to be done about it, because its perfectly fair. That is what a tournament is, not a single game, so coming up with strategy is up to every player. Weaker players can try to draw with stronger players, just like the stronger players can try to beat weaker players.
birdistheword
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Sure it's fair, but somehow I'm getting tired of watching it. Oh well, long break until the next super tourney, so maybe I'll be excited when they start up again.
Thomas
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Actually I don't think Radjabov decided (before the round) which _opponents_ he wants to beat, but (during the round) which _positions_ he wants to play on. The only exception may be today's "game" against Aronian. And it always takes two to agree a premature draw or play a non-forced repetition.
From Radjabov's games, I have the impression that he was never in any serious trouble (except for half a move against van Wely) - given the strength of the field that's quite an achievement and sign of class. And it's something which cannot be said about Aronian and, even more so, Carlsen ... . If you can combine this solidity with a few wins, you deservedly end up gih in the final standings and gain a couple of rating points.
The only solution to your (perceived) problem I can come up with is a knockout format that eliminates weaker and/or out-of-form players early on. Funnily, Gelfand often did well in KO events. And hypothetically for this event:
- "one loss and you're out" would leave Radjabov as last man standing
- "two losses and you're out would leave the players in 2nd to 6th place, but not Aronian.
birdistheword
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Maybe you're right about the positions thing, and I've just been too influenced by seeing too many games where the top dogs plays conservatively versus their peers and then ultra sharp against the tailenders.
But yes, he's very solid, which is something he learnt from preparing for Kazan. Kramnik praised him very highly for replacing the KID with the Lasker variation for their internal match. Pick your spots, stay out of trouble and good things will happen. It's very professional and very mature, but not very exciting to _me_. Different strokes for different folks and so on.
Thomas
3 weeks 2 days ago
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This time Radjabov did play the KID ... . And whatever you think of his other games, he probably played the move of the tournament against Karjakin (62.Rc4+!!). Game of the tournament is harder to decide - some pick Carlsen-Topalov, but for me most insane game isn't the same as best game.
birdistheword
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Radjabov did play the KID, but he also played quite a few fairly short draws (below 30 moves). Now, there was nothing particularly wrong with any of these draws by themselves, but when you get a lot of such games it's indicative of a style in which you put safety first. The game against Carlsen wasn't a short draw, but it was fairly obvious from his play that this was all he wanted from the white pieces. His game in the last round just adds to the impression: He likes a good result more than the risk involved in trying for a great result. As I said, it's fair enough.
His finish against Karjakin was nice, though.
ra
3 weeks 2 days ago
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I also suspect Radjabov decides in advance whom he wants to play and whom not. I witnessed on the scene Radjabov offering a draw against Carlsen early on in a rich, interesting and unclear position. Was rejected -- the difference between the two guys was clearly not in terms of their chess evaluation, but their "morals".
Thomas
3 weeks 2 days ago
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I don't know when Radjabov offered a draw against Carlsen, but I never considered the position "rich, interesting and unclear": by move 19, just three minor pieces were left, the pawn structure was nearly symmetrical, neither player had weaknesses in his own or targets in the opponent's position - between strong GMs, that's a draw in at least nine out of ten cases.
Carlsen and Topalov like to play on in such positions, maybe for somewhat different reasons: Topalov because he religiously adheres to Sofia rules, Carlsen because he does score slightly more than 50% from such positions (and, as he said himself, spending too much time in his hotel room is boring).
On the other hand, Radjabov may have thought "it's a draw no matter how long we keep playing, no need and nothing to gain from continuing". So Carlsen and Radjabov have different attitudes, but I wouldn't say that Carlsen is right and Radjabov is wrong.
columbo
3 weeks 2 days ago
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you chose the wrong game to talk about DRAWS, Aronian played an incredible tournament, and the only elegant thing to do in that case is to CONGRATULATE him as the sole winner !!! And the level of the whole tournament was extremely GOOD. We are here to celebrate a great event, not to insult Aronian or any of the players. you were the first one to insult, you talked about SHAME !!! well ! shame on YOU ! Tata Steel was GREAT !
True Chess
3 weeks 2 days ago
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GATA crushed TOPALOV today and nobody talks about that! Huh!
Anonymous
3 weeks 2 days ago
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That is worthy of a mention
Septimus
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Topalov did not handle the endgame well. The win was by no means inevitable.
giovlinn
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Aronian played a fantastic tournament but that draw was disappointing. No fighting till the end, 12 moves... Fischer would've never done that. Fischer was right, draws shouldn't be counted. It's either win or lose.
anonymous
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Fischer was right on some things and completely crazy on others. For instance if he was in a 6 game match and the score was 5 wins in his favor, he would sweat over a theoretically drawn endgame until the opponent cracked from exhaustion; just check out the candidates matches leading up to his 1972 title match with Spaasky. So yeah, Fischer was a great player but also a maniac.
MiniMe
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Just want to sum it up, as there are many complainers about this 12 round draw of Aronian and Radjabov, and of the kind.
Concerning complains, it is actually up to players to decide when they want to draw, why ? because draws are part of the chess. Offering draws and giving agreement to draws are part of the game we call CHESS as well. If you don't like it, than you don't like chess in its all aspects.
It doesn't matter how many draws there are, because in a Tournament you have only one goal - to win the tournament without breaking rules of the game called CHESS. Without the opportunity of mutually agreed draws chess is not a chess, but something else, at least not classical chess. As far as CHESS tournaments produces its winners and losers, everything is just fine.
Anonymous
3 weeks 2 days ago
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"It doesn't matter how many draws there are, because in a Tournament you have only one goal - to win the tournament without breaking rules of the game called CHESS."
How did a draw help Radjabov achieve that?
MiniMe
3 weeks 2 days ago
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It didn't, BUT it did help him to clinch the second place, which would be not the case in the scenario of losing to Aronian. You can add to the overall goal of winning also a goal of at least performing as good as you can or believe you can, hence the results, quite simple really.
ra
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Concerning complains, it is actually up to players to decide when they want to pass the ball back to their goalie, why ? because back passes are part of FOOTBALL. If you don't like it, than you don't like football in its all aspects.
Without the opportunity of back passes to goalie, football is not football, but something else. As far as football tournaments produces its winners and losers, everything is just fine.
MiniMe
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Absolutely correct. I think it is really pitiful when people complain about things which are actually legitimate parts of the game. And if you complain, at least direct your complains to the game itself, but not to the players, that is sick.
Septimus
3 weeks 2 days ago
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I don't care for 12-move "GM" draws. This should not be allowed. But, it is also worth remembering that after so many rounds some form of fatigue does set in. Also, nobody has an inexhaustible store of preparation, so some games may just fizzle out to a dead position.
Nigel P
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Aronian made the type of practical decision that professional chess players have made for decades, to secure the win without risk. Radjabov, on the other hand, had a chance to fight for =1 and bottled it.
Similarly, Nakamura had a chance to fight for =2 and drew in 11 moves. So much for his so-called fighting spirit. All he did was lose fans.
Carlsen played on in an opposite coloured B ending until it was a dead draw (a well played game by Van Wely, btw) even though he could have offered a draw as soon as the Aronian's result was known. If Radjabov and Nakamura leak fans (and perhaps invitations) to Carlsen, they have no-one to blame but themselves.
anonymous
3 weeks 2 days ago
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I'm no fan of Nakamura but I wouldn't want to judge his fighting spirit on the basis of one short draw; he might have been exhausted or not feeling well.
Anonymous
3 weeks 2 days ago
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I don't understand, how fans of such an intelectual game as chess is,can't differentiate simple truth cuch as : 1)What would those same people say ,if Aronian fought for win and had lost? Stupid , right? 2)Is there higher place than 1 place ? 3)Who should have been motivated more Aronian or Radjabov? And above all ,if Radjabov risked, wasn't it possible that he could have finished in 5 or 6 place and without prize money, unless You consider Aronian, one of the greatist grandmasters of last 10 years, a client,rooky.Just food for thought ,respectful judges.
giovlinn
3 weeks 2 days ago
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All true those practical reasons but I consider chess a sport, you go for the win, not for very short draws. That's my opinion.
Anonymous
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Why all the hate...
Seriously, those players decide what THEY want, got it?
Nigel P
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Being critical about something or someone is not 'hate', unless you're 12 and see everything in black and white.
The players can decide what ever they want, and people can to decide to be critical of their decisions if they want. It's quite simple really.
Anonymos
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Most of those who are blaming Aronian or Radjabov are Magnus fanboys. They wanted to see Aronian losing and Magnus winning. And when they saw 12 move draw of Aronian and Radjabov they got frustrated! :) Well, Cheer up guys, Magnus doesn't have to win every tourney.
Thomas
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Carlsen wouldn't have won the tournament anyway as he couldn't beat van Wely, so this result between Aronian and Radjabov was actually best for him. A win by Radjabov would have meant "only" shared third place for Magnus. A win by Aronian would have meant that Levon gets quite close on the live rating list, and could overtake him if he wins his forthcoming match against Kramnik and/or some Bundesliga games (Gibraltar aside, these seem to be the next rated games by world-top players).
Anonymous
3 weeks 2 days ago
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strange decision by radjabov not to play. did he lose his nerve? was he afraid of losing to an armenian in the last round, given the history between azerbijan and that country?
understandable that aronian would like to take a quick draw. but radjabov? i'm sad for him that he didn't have the courage to play.
Anonymous
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Can we name one sport in which, the goal is not the final result,time waist ,to retain the achieved, or I'm wrong.
Rama G
3 weeks 2 days ago
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I like the point about the last leg of Tour de France and I also notice that in Basketball there are times when a team which is leading will play it safe and run down the clock rather than try to score an additional goal (and fans are not up in arms for these 'offenses'). However just to please those whose sense of propriety is offended, a system can be set up which fines the 'offending' player by deducting from his appearance fee and prize money for the non-contested game/s (decided by a committee set up by the organizers). So with this system Aronian would lose 1/13th of his pay. Since he is paid to contest chess games that is perfectly proportional to his 'offense'. Such an approach will not harm any player much unless he does it too much; and if the organizers are too punitive they will have a harder time getting that player back the following year.
On the other hand there is a very simple system which might help in double round robin tournaments (in which every player can be guaranteed an equal occurrence of colours); it is this - weight draws with black slightly more than those with white - so a draw with black is worth .6 while a draw with white is worth .4 and of course a win with either colour is still worth 1. Therefore if two players meet in the last round with an equal score then white is more likely to not be satisfied with a draw. Another way to express this would be the mathematically equivalent 10 points for a win (with either colour); 6 points for a draw with black and 4 points for a draw with white.
Bottom line however is that chess players salaries are not financed by ticket sales but by sponsors who want to be associated with this great mind sport.
As long as the sponsors are willing to cough up the money for chess AS IT IS
then the protestations of fans are not likely to carry much weight. So those
of you who are really offended can make REAL CHANGE by organizing a tournament
and instituting the rules that you see fit.
Anonymous
3 weeks 2 days ago
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all of you chess "fans" are owed nothing. how much did you pay to watch the games? it was a long tournament and these guys can draw the game - their excellent play throughout the tournament put them in this position. in just about every sport, when you are ahead, you can win by 'eating up the clock', and it's well deserved. organizers can make draw rules if they like, but this tournament showed that they do not need to. this was one of the best tournaments in history. any talk of changing the rules of chess is blasphemous.
The Devil
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Now we can understand atleast a little why Fischer hated quick draws. You didn't see him going for a quick draw in the Candidates matches did you, even though he was 5-0 against Taimanov and again 5-0 against Larsen. On the other hand I can't really blame Aronian for it, all he needed was a draw to be solo first anyways.
rajeshv
3 weeks 2 days ago
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I agree with most that the Short Draws argument sounds quite silly - and I think it has been adequately answered. Let me try a little differently - Consider boxing: A player scores a healthy lead over his opponent over n-1 rounds. After the break, coming back to the last round, all he has to do is avoid a KO blow by his opponent (his opponent can never catch up on points). So he decides to not throw any punches and simply defend any punches thrown by his opponent.
And yes, he did NOT play the game in that round in the normal sense, the organizers do count the round, and do award the winner.
What is the problem?
Congrats to Aronian for an amazing tournament win!!
And congrats to Harikrishna and Turov!
sulutas
3 weeks 2 days ago
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The tournament has been already replete with so much excitement that I don't understand those who would have expected to see more excitement in the last round - from the point of view of a chess fan, we love to see but look at what Aronian says about his sleeping times; for two weeks, probably all players have been thinking about chess 24 hours a day and it should be really mind-boggling after a certain point. You look at your food in front of you at dinner and what you see is a dubious line in Petroff Defence, or you take a shower and you don't even realize that you just have washed your hair with your shampoo with a nice scent but rather your mind is stuck with that complicated line in Nimzo-Indian. "Enough!", one would easily say after some time, I guess.
I live in Boston and I definitely knew that when I woke up on Sunday morning many of the games would have finished with short draws already and didn't get surprised even for a second when I checked the results immediately - because this is what is happening in many tournaments and the players have every right to do so (especially when they repeat their moves).
Congratulations to the organizers; I think the tournament has been a success this winter in terms of the spectacle and excitement already, even without a real fight in the last round for some games.
PS: For the next year, it would be lovely to have live broadcasting as they do in Moscow during the games (even a standard quality in broadcasting would be enough, if there is any budget problem), and even if I like this old-fashion board demos, it would be again lovely to have the player of the day sit in front of a computer equipped with Chessbase or a program like that, and show his/her game, as they do in Moscow again. There are, in effect, thousands of people who follow this tournament live even if they are not there; and the organizers should do their best to keep this on-line interest alive.
And as always, thanks to Peter and the Chessvibes for the wonderful reports.
Leigh
3 weeks 2 days ago
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shame
Xeno
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Haha, the nutjobs around here busy hating the greatest players of our time as usual
giovlinn
3 weeks 2 days ago
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???? I would consider your remark as that of a nutjob. Hating the greatest players of our time? Hate has nothing to do with it.
Xeno
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Well, hopefully it's got more to do with ignorance or trolling in most cases
brabo
3 weeks 2 days ago
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If an organiser/ sponsor would divert from the classical pricemechanism then I believe it is possible to avoid (largely but not completely) the short draws.
One modest way to do is to set a price per scored half point (e.g. 500 euros).
Further finetuning can be done by raising the price per half point above a certain threshold (e.g. above 7/ 13 then price/ half point is raised with another 500 euro).
One radical way to set prices is to only give price/ full point so no price when a draw has been made. (e.g. 2000 euros which means Aronian would earn 14.000 euros).
The radical way is likely too harsh so I think we should search some balanced method. In the end draws will not be interesting financially for the player so there will be a serious financial incentive to avoid the draw.
Saji
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Everybody forget to congragulate Hari and Maxim, I do so. Aronian Played good chess.
Bob
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Great tournament, and congrats to Aronian, who was a deserved winner. I was surprised by the speed of the draw, but it's completely understandable from my perspective, for reasons stated repeatedly above. As for all this "moral" stuff, I wonder what all you armchair moral absolutists would have done in Aronian's chair. If one of the "best players ever" wants a draw with white, then good luck denying him.
giovlinn
3 weeks 2 days ago
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12 moves? That is ridiculous.
Horst
3 weeks 2 days ago
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the most comments are at a poor level, despite a nice tournament
Luzin
3 weeks 2 days ago
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quick draw is fine, Aronian deserved winner.
Giri took a deserved last place too, if only for calling those who beat him coffeehouse players.
And chessvibes should actually stress that statement imo, instead of being so surprised with the Aronian last round draw, like in the 5,5 years of running the site they have never seen a player forcing a last round draw to secure a tournament win again!
adam
3 weeks 2 days ago
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congrats to aronian for winning this very nice piece of tournament!
concerning his last game: it's completely understandable--he pulled 9(!) decisive games in a long, 13-round race--give him a break! however, imho, radjabov exactly because of such things (see the world cup for further reference) will not ever live up to the expectations many have from him...
i though caruana would enter the top 10 sooner or later, but so fast?! wow!
thx chessvibes for the coverage, players and organizers for the fun provided
giovlinn
3 weeks 2 days ago
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Maybe I overlooked some comments but Caruna had a great tournament as well.
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