Reports | November 16, 2009 19:21

Bundesliga: Baden-Baden still on 100% but Bremen leads

BundesligaOSC Baden-Baden is the only team left in the Schachbundesliga that won all of its matches. Still it's Werder Bremen that leads the current standings, since this weekend not only the 3rd and 4th round of the German league were played, but also one match of the 7th round. We have all results and a selection of games, including the shocking loss of Alexei Shirov in only 16 moves against Michael Bezold.

This weekend's top matches took place in Bremen and Mülheim. The host team Bremen defeated the team of Eppingen 5.5-2.5 on Saturday, which included a win for Bremen's board 1 Pavel Eljanov against Evgeny Postny.

In Mülheim the host team faced the team of Solingen, and this match was decidede by just one game. With seven draws on the other boards, Solingen's Predrag Nikolic became the match winner thanks to his victory against Pavel Tregubov.

BundesligaThe German Champion OSG Baden-Baden was playing at home and was odds-on favourite in the matches against the teams of München and Erfurt. And indeed, on Saturday FC Bayern München was defeated 5.5-2.5 (despite Alexei Shirov dropping a piece on move 15 on board 1 against Michael Bezold!) and the next day Erfurter SK was slaughtered 0-8.

The round 7 match between Werder Bremen and Hamburg was already played on Friday and ended in a 4-4 tie and so Bremen is leading the standings after this second Bundesliga weekend, by one match point, but Baden-Baden still has a chance to catch up.

In the game section below we highly recommend the game of one of our Tal Memorial commentators, GM Wouter Spoelman, against Robert Rabiega. A fine example of Fischer's favourite ending: bishop versus knight in an open pawn structure.

Bundesliga 2009 | Round 4 Standings

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Round 3

OSG Baden-Baden : FC Bayern München  (5,5 : 2,5)

3.Round | Sa., 14. 11. 2009, 14 Hrs

B Fed OSG Baden-Baden ELO T Rnr Fed FC Bayern München ELO T Rnr Result
1 ESP Shirov, Alexei 2730 GM 6 : GER Bezold, Michael 2517 GM 120 0 : 1
2 FRA Bacrot, Etienne 2709 GM 12 : GER Bromberger, Stefan 2518 IM 119 1 : 0
3 ENG Adams, Michael 2682 GM 17 : GER Schenk, Andreas 2509 IM 128 0.5 : 0.5
4 ESP Vallejo Pons, Francisco 2696 GM 14 : HUN Reiss, Tibor 2414 IM 186 1 : 0
5 ROU Nisipeanu, Liviu-Dieter 2664 GM 23 : GER Renner, Christoph 2440 IM 171 1 : 0
6 GER Gustafsson, Jan 2622 GM 38 : UKR Belezky, Alexander 2463 IM 156 1 : 0
7 GER Dautov, Rustem 2596 GM 57 : GER Meissner, Bernd 2410 IM 190 0.5 : 0.5
8 GER Schlosser, Philipp 2555 GM 81 : GER Meister, Peter 2396 IM 194 0.5 : 0.5
Heidelberg-Handschuhsheim : Erfurter SK  (4 : 4)

3.Round | Sa., 14. 11. 2009, 14 Hrs

B Fed Heidelberg-Handschuhsheim ELO T Rnr Fed Erfurter SK ELO T Rnr Result
1 RUS Ikonnikov, Viacheslav 2558 GM 78 : RUS Romanov, Evgeny 2588 GM 61 0 : 1
2 MDA Svetushkin, Dmitry 2570 GM 67 : CZE Haba, Petr 2541 GM 95 0.5 : 0.5
3 GER Ginsburg, Gennadi 2537 GM 97 : BEL Michiels, Bart 2462 IM 157 1 : 0
4 UKR Gurevic, Vladimir 2470 GM 152 : GER Casper, Thomas 2395 IM 195 0.5 : 0.5
5 ROU Chernov, Vadim 2433 IM 172 : GER Enders, Peter 2467 GM 154 0 : 1
6 GER Gerigk, Erasmus 2335 FM 225 : GER Mueller, Matthias 2410 IM 191 0.5 : 0.5
7 GER Maier, Christian 2350 IM 220 : GER Schoene, Maria 2274 WM 242 1 : 0
8 GER Vatter, Hans-Joachim 2321 FM 229 : GER Schuetze, Norman 2278 - 241 0.5 : 0.5
SV Mülheim Nord : SG Solingen  (3,5 : 4,5)

3.Round | Sa., 14. 11. 2009, 14 Hrs

B Fed SV Mülheim Nord ELO T Rnr Fed SG Solingen ELO T Rnr Result
1 FRA Vachier-Lagrave, Maxime 2718 GM 8 : NED Smeets, Jan 2642 GM 35 0.5 : 0.5
2 RUS Tregubov, Pavel V. 2649 GM 33 : BIH Nikolic, Predrag 2602 GM 53 0 : 1
3 RUS Landa, Konstantin 2655 GM 30 : GER Buhmann, Rainer 2603 GM 52 0.5 : 0.5
4 GER Fridman, Daniel 2661 GM 27 : FRA Edouard, Romain 2620 GM 40 0.5 : 0.5
5 BEL Malakhatko, Vadim 2569 GM 69 : NED L'Ami, Erwin 2606 GM 50 0.5 : 0.5
6 GER Berelowitsch, Alexander 2551 GM 86 : AUT Ragger, Markus 2561 GM 75 0.5 : 0.5
7 GER Levin, Felix 2481 GM 148 : GER Naumann, Alexander 2522 GM 115 0.5 : 0.5
8 GER Hausrath, Daniel 2528 IM 111 : GER Hoffmann, Michael 2513 GM 124 0.5 : 0.5
SF Katernberg : SC 1950 Remagen  (5 : 3)

3.Round | Sa., 14. 11. 2009, 14 Hrs

B Fed SF Katernberg ELO T Rnr Fed SC 1950 Remagen ELO T Rnr Result
1 UKR Volokitin, Andrei 2681 GM 19 : UKR Fedorchuk, Sergey 2643 GM 34 1 : 0
2 GER Seel, Christian 2493 IM 139 : ROU Parligras, Mircea 2547 GM 91 0.5 : 0.5
3 GER Bischoff, Klaus 2561 GM 76 : BEL Dgebuadze, Alexandre 2521 GM 116 0 : 1
4 GER Glek, Igor V 2537 GM 96 : GER Mainka, Romuald 2501 GM 135 1 : 0
5 GER Zaragatski, Ilja 2475 IM 150 : NED Swinkels, Robin 2511 GM 126 0.5 : 0.5
6 NED Ris, Robert 2420 IM 179 : GER Teske, Henrik 2545 GM 93 0.5 : 0.5
7 GER Siebrecht, Sebastian 2456 GM 159 : SRB Popovic, Petar 2496 GM 138 0.5 : 0.5
8 GER Scholz, Christian Dr. 2373 IM 208 : GER Schulz, Klaus-Juergen 2385 IM 200 1 : 0
Werder Bremen : SC Eppingen  (5,5 : 2,5)

3.Round | Sa., 14. 11. 2009, 14 Hrs

B Fed Werder Bremen ELO T Rnr Fed SC Eppingen ELO T Rnr Result
1 UKR Eljanov, Pavel 2717 GM 9 : ISR Postny, Evgeny 2651 GM 32 1 : 0
2 FRA Fressinet, Laurent 2658 GM 29 : HUN Berkes, Ferenc 2663 GM 25 1 : 0
3 UKR Areshchenko, Alexander 2667 GM 22 : HUN Balogh, Csaba 2620 GM 39 0.5 : 0.5
4 ISR Roiz, Michael 2658 GM 28 : HUN Gyimesi, Zoltan 2594 GM 58 1 : 0
5 FIN Nyback, Tomi 2615 GM 43 : HUN Ruck, Robert 2548 GM 89 1 : 0
6 CZE Hracek, Zbynek 2606 GM 49 : GER Braun, Arik 2519 GM 118 0.5 : 0.5
7 CZE Babula, Vlastimil 2569 GM 70 : HUN Medvegy, Zoltan 2556 GM 80 0.5 : 0.5
8 ESP Llaneza Vega, Marcos 2504 IM 132 : SLO Muzychuk, Anna 2533 IM 103 0 : 1
Hamburger SK : SG Trier  (3,5 : 4,5)

3.Round | Sa., 14. 11. 2009, 14 Hrs

B Fed Hamburger SK ELO T Rnr Fed SG Trier ELO T Rnr Result
1 POL Wojtaszek, Radoslav 2640 GM 36 : POL Bobras, Piotr 2537 GM 99 0.5 : 0.5
2 POL Kempinski, Robert 2616 GM 42 : POL Cyborowski, Lukasz 2503 GM 133 1 : 0
3 ROU Rogozenco, Dorian 2541 GM 94 : ENG Gordon, Stephen 2535 GM 100 0 : 1
4 DEN Rasmussen, Allan Stig 2535 GM 101 : POL Jaracz, Pawel 2547 GM 90 0 : 1
5 SVK Ftacnik, Lubomir Dr. 2532 GM 105 : HUN Erdos, Viktor 2591 GM 59 0.5 : 0.5
6 GER Mueller, Karsten Dr. 2523 GM 114 : HUN Flumbort, Andras 2513 IM 123 0 : 1
7 GER Heinemann, Thies 2484 IM 144 : HUN Gonda, Laszlo 2486 IM 142 0.5 : 0.5
8 GER Reeh, Oliver 2442 IM 169 : GER Seger, Ruediger 2407 IM 192 1 : 0
SK Turm Emsdetten : SF Berlin 1903  (3 : 5)

3.Round | Sa., 14. 11. 2009, 14 Hrs

B Fed SK Turm Emsdetten ELO T Rnr Fed SF Berlin 1903 ELO T Rnr Result
1 NED Spoelman, Wouter 2554 GM 82 : SVK Markos, Jan 2565 GM 73 0 : 1
2 SWE Hector, Jonny 2568 GM 71 : GER Lauber, Arnd 2517 IM 121 1 : 0
3 GER Feygin, Michael 2546 IM 92 : GER Polzin, Rainer 2491 GM 141 0.5 : 0.5
4 NED Janssen, Ruud 2520 IM 117 : GER Kraemer, Martin 2482 IM 146 0.5 : 0.5
5 GER Breder, Dennis 2427 IM 175 : GER Schneider, Ilja 2500 IM 136 0.5 : 0.5
6 GER Fiebig, Thomas 2416 - 183 : FIN Agopov, Mikail 2452 IM 162 0 : 1
7 NED Pruijssers, Roeland 2415 IM 184 : GER Thiede, Lars 2450 IM 164 0 : 1
8 GER Richter, Christian 2412 IM 188 : GER Thinius, Marco 2375 IM 204 0.5 : 0.5
SV Wattenscheid 1930 : SK König Tegel  (5,5 : 2,5)

3.Round | Sa., 14. 11. 2009, 14 Hrs

B Fed SV Wattenscheid 1930 ELO T Rnr Fed SK König Tegel ELO T Rnr Result
1 RUS Vitiugov, Nikita 2681 GM 18 : GER Rabiega, Robert 2531 GM 108 1 : 0
2 RUS Najer, Evgeniy 2681 GM 20 : GER Stern, Rene 2501 IM 134 1 : 0
3 POL Macieja, Bartlomiej 2618 GM 41 : CRO Muse, Mladen 2448 GM 166 0 : 1
4 POL Bartel, Mateusz 2609 GM 47 : GER Von Herman, Ulf 2424 IM 176 1 : 0
5 RUS Rustemov, Alexander 2532 GM 104 : CRO Muse, Drazen 2367 IM 210 1 : 0
6 GER Appel, Ralf 2551 GM 87 : GER Fruebing, Stefan 2337 FM 224 0.5 : 0.5
7 GER Holzke, Frank Dr. 2526 GM 112 : GER Giemsa, Stephan 2305 FM 234 0.5 : 0.5
8 GER Handke, Florian 2513 GM 125 : GER Kachibadze, Georg 2239 - 250 0.5 : 0.5


Round 4

FC Bayern München : Heidelberg-Handschuhsheim   (4 : 4)

4.Round | Su., 15. 11. 2009, 10 Hrs
B Fed FC Bayern München ELO T Rnr Fed Heidelberg-Handschuhsheim ELO T Rnr Result
1 GER Bezold, Michael 2517 GM 120 : RUS Ikonnikov, Viacheslav 2558 GM 78 1 : 0
2 GER Bromberger, Stefan 2518 IM 119 : MDA Svetushkin, Dmitry 2570 GM 67 0.5 : 0.5
3 GER Schenk, Andreas 2509 IM 128 : GER Ginsburg, Gennadi 2537 GM 97 0.5 : 0.5
4 HUN Reiss, Tibor 2414 IM 186 : UKR Gurevic, Vladimir 2470 GM 152 0 : 1
5 GER Renner, Christoph 2440 IM 171 : ROU Chernov, Vadim 2433 IM 172 1 : 0
6 UKR Belezky, Alexander 2463 IM 156 : GER Gerigk, Erasmus 2335 FM 225 0.5 : 0.5
7 GER Meissner, Bernd 2410 IM 190 : GER Schwalfenberg, Joerg 2317 FM 231 0.5 : 0.5
8 GER Meister, Peter 2396 IM 194 : GER Maier, Christian 2350 IM 220 0 : 1
Erfurter SK : OSG Baden-Baden   ( 0 : 8 )

4.Round | Su., 15. 11. 2009, 10 Hrs
B Fed Erfurter SK ELO T Rnr Fed OSG Baden-Baden ELO T Rnr Result
1 RUS Romanov, Evgeny 2588 GM 61 : ESP Shirov, Alexei 2730 GM 6 0 : 1
2 CZE Haba, Petr 2541 GM 95 : FRA Bacrot, Etienne 2709 GM 12 0 : 1
3 BEL Michiels, Bart 2462 IM 157 : ENG Adams, Michael 2682 GM 17 0 : 1
4 GER Casper, Thomas 2395 IM 195 : ESP Vallejo Pons, Francisco 2696 GM 14 0 : 1
5 GER Enders, Peter 2467 GM 154 : ROU Nisipeanu, Liviu-Dieter 2664 GM 23 0 : 1
6 GER Mueller, Matthias 2410 IM 191 : GER Gustafsson, Jan 2622 GM 38 0 : 1
7 GER Schoene, Maria 2274 WM 242 : GER Dautov, Rustem 2596 GM 57 0 : 1
8 GER Schuetze, Norman 2278 - 241 : GER Schlosser, Philipp 2555 GM 81 0 : 1
SG Solingen : SF Katernberg   (5 : 3)

4.Round | Su., 15. 11. 2009, 10 Hrs
B Fed SG Solingen ELO T Rnr Fed SF Katernberg ELO T Rnr Result
1 NED Smeets, Jan 2642 GM 35 : UKR Volokitin, Andrei 2681 GM 19 0.5 : 0.5
2 BIH Nikolic, Predrag 2602 GM 53 : GER Seel, Christian 2493 IM 139 0.5 : 0.5
3 GER Buhmann, Rainer 2603 GM 52 : GER Bischoff, Klaus 2561 GM 76 0.5 : 0.5
4 FRA Edouard, Romain 2620 GM 40 : GER Glek, Igor V 2537 GM 96 0.5 : 0.5
5 NED L'Ami, Erwin 2606 GM 50 : GER Zaragatski, Ilja 2475 IM 150 0.5 : 0.5
6 AUT Ragger, Markus 2561 GM 75 : NED Ris, Robert 2420 IM 179 1 : 0
7 GER Naumann, Alexander 2522 GM 115 : GER Siebrecht, Sebastian 2456 GM 159 0.5 : 0.5
8 GER Hoffmann, Michael 2513 GM 124 : GER Scholz, Christian Dr. 2373 IM 208 1 : 0
SC 1950 Remagen : SV Mülheim Nord   (2 : 6)

4.Round | Su., 15. 11. 2009, 10 Hrs
B Fed SC 1950 Remagen ELO T Rnr Fed SV Mülheim Nord ELO T Rnr Result
1 UKR Fedorchuk, Sergey 2643 GM 34 : FRA Vachier-Lagrave, Maxime 2718 GM 8 0 : 1
2 ROU Parligras, Mircea 2547 GM 91 : RUS Tregubov, Pavel V. 2649 GM 33 0 : 1
3 BEL Dgebuadze, Alexandre 2521 GM 116 : RUS Landa, Konstantin 2655 GM 30 0.5 : 0.5
4 GER Mainka, Romuald 2501 GM 135 : GER Fridman, Daniel 2661 GM 27 0 : 1
5 NED Swinkels, Robin 2511 GM 126 : BEL Malakhatko, Vadim 2569 GM 69 0.5 : 0.5
6 GER Teske, Henrik 2545 GM 93 : GER Berelowitsch, Alexander 2551 GM 86 0.5 : 0.5
7 SRB Popovic, Petar 2496 GM 138 : GER Hausrath, Daniel 2528 IM 111 0 : 1
8 GER Schulz, Klaus-Juergen 2385 IM 200 : GER Schebler, Gerhard 2486 GM 143 0.5 : 0.5
SC Eppingen : Hamburger SK   (2 : 6)

4.Round | Su., 15. 11. 2009, 10 Hrs
B Fed SC Eppingen ELO T Rnr Fed Hamburger SK ELO T Rnr Result
1 ISR Postny, Evgeny 2651 GM 32 : POL Wojtaszek, Radoslav 2640 GM 36 0.5 : 0.5
2 HUN Berkes, Ferenc 2663 GM 25 : POL Kempinski, Robert 2616 GM 42 0.5 : 0.5
3 HUN Balogh, Csaba 2620 GM 39 : ROU Rogozenco, Dorian 2541 GM 94 0.5 : 0.5
4 HUN Gyimesi, Zoltan 2594 GM 58 : DEN Rasmussen, Allan Stig 2535 GM 101 0.5 : 0.5
5 HUN Ruck, Robert 2548 GM 89 : SVK Ftacnik, Lubomir Dr. 2532 GM 105 0 : 1
6 GER Braun, Arik 2519 GM 118 : GER Mueller, Karsten Dr. 2523 GM 114 0 : 1
7 HUN Medvegy, Zoltan 2556 GM 80 : GER Heinemann, Thies 2484 IM 144 0 : 1
8 SLO Muzychuk, Anna 2533 IM 103 : GER Reeh, Oliver 2442 IM 169 0 : 1
SG Trier : Werder Bremen   (3 : 5)

4.Round | Su., 15. 11. 2009, 10 Hrs
B Fed SG Trier ELO T Rnr Fed Werder Bremen ELO T Rnr Result
1 POL Bobras, Piotr 2537 GM 99 : UKR Eljanov, Pavel 2717 GM 9 0 : 1
2 POL Cyborowski, Lukasz 2503 GM 133 : FRA Fressinet, Laurent 2658 GM 29 0 : 1
3 ENG Gordon, Stephen 2535 GM 100 : UKR Areshchenko, Alexander 2667 GM 22 0 : 1
4 POL Jaracz, Pawel 2547 GM 90 : ISR Roiz, Michael 2658 GM 28 0.5 : 0.5
5 HUN Erdos, Viktor 2591 GM 59 : FIN Nyback, Tomi 2615 GM 43 0.5 : 0.5
6 HUN Flumbort, Andras 2513 IM 123 : CZE Hracek, Zbynek 2606 GM 49 0.5 : 0.5
7 HUN Gonda, Laszlo 2486 IM 142 : CZE Babula, Vlastimil 2569 GM 70 0.5 : 0.5
8 GER Seger, Ruediger 2407 IM 192 : ESP Llaneza Vega, Marcos 2504 IM 132 1 : 0
SF Berlin 1903 : SV Wattenscheid 1930   (2,5 : 5,5)

4.Round | Su., 15. 11. 2009, 10 Hrs
B Fed SF Berlin 1903 ELO T Rnr Fed SV Wattenscheid 1930 ELO T Rnr Result
1 SVK Markos, Jan 2565 GM 73 : RUS Vitiugov, Nikita 2681 GM 18 0 : 1
2 GER Lauber, Arnd 2517 IM 121 : RUS Najer, Evgeniy 2681 GM 20 0.5 : 0.5
3 GER Kraemer, Martin 2482 IM 146 : POL Macieja, Bartlomiej 2618 GM 41 1 : 0
4 GER Schneider, Ilja 2500 IM 136 : POL Bartel, Mateusz 2609 GM 47 0.5 : 0.5
5 FIN Agopov, Mikail 2452 IM 162 : RUS Rustemov, Alexander 2532 GM 104 0.5 : 0.5
6 GER Thiede, Lars 2450 IM 164 : GER Appel, Ralf 2551 GM 87 0 : 1
7 GER Thinius, Marco 2375 IM 204 : GER Holzke, Frank Dr. 2526 GM 112 0 : 1
8 GER Abel, Dennes 2380 - 202 : GER Handke, Florian 2513 GM 125 0 : 1
SK König Tegel : SK Turm Emsdetten   (2 : 6)

4.Round | Su., 15. 11. 2009, 10 Hrs
B Fed SK König Tegel ELO T Rnr Fed SK Turm Emsdetten ELO T Rnr Result
1 GER Rabiega, Robert 2531 GM 108 : NED Spoelman, Wouter 2554 GM 82 0 : 1
2 GER Stern, Rene 2501 IM 134 : SWE Hector, Jonny 2568 GM 71 0.5 : 0.5
3 CRO Muse, Mladen 2448 GM 166 : GER Feygin, Michael 2546 IM 92 0 : 1
4 GER Von Herman, Ulf 2424 IM 176 : NED Janssen, Ruud 2520 IM 117 0.5 : 0.5
5 CRO Muse, Drazen 2367 IM 210 : GER Breder, Dennis 2427 IM 175 0 : 1
6 GER Fruebing, Stefan 2337 FM 224 : GER Fiebig, Thomas 2416 - 183 0.5 : 0.5
7 GER Giemsa, Stephan 2305 FM 234 : NED Pruijssers, Roeland 2415 IM 184 0 : 1
8 GER Kachibadze, Georg 2239 - 250 : GER Richter, Christian 2412 IM 188 0.5 : 0.5


Round 7

Werder Bremen : Hamburger SK   (4 : 4)

7.Round | Fr., 13. 11. 2009, 16 Hrs
B Fed Werder Bremen ELO T Rnr Fed Hamburger SK ELO T Rnr Result
1 UKR Eljanov, Pavel 2717 GM 9 : POL Wojtaszek, Radoslav 2640 GM 36 0.5 : 0.5
2 FRA Fressinet, Laurent 2658 GM 29 : POL Kempinski, Robert 2616 GM 42 0.5 : 0.5
3 UKR Areshchenko, Alexander 2667 GM 22 : ROU Rogozenco, Dorian 2541 GM 94 0.5 : 0.5
4 ISR Roiz, Michael 2658 GM 28 : DEN Rasmussen, Allan Stig 2535 GM 101 1 : 0
5 FIN Nyback, Tomi 2615 GM 43 : SVK Ftacnik, Lubomir Dr. 2532 GM 105 0.5 : 0.5
6 CZE Hracek, Zbynek 2606 GM 49 : GER Heinemann, Thies 2484 IM 144 1 : 0
7 CZE Babula, Vlastimil 2569 GM 70 : GER Huschenbeth, Niclas 2411 IM 189 0 : 1
8 ESP Llaneza Vega, Marcos 2504 IM 132 : GER Sebastian, Dirk 2443 - 168 0 : 1


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Georgios Souleidis

2 years 2 months ago

@ask and @Thomas:
1. The problem with the games ot the 2. leagues is known in Germany.
2. The German Chess Federation is responsible for this leagues and not the Schachbundesliga so that they should collect and publish them at their website.
3. I´ve asked one of the responsible officials if the games are published somewhere, if yes than I will put the link here.
4. "apparently others already tried emailing Schachbundesliga in vain"
I´ve never received an E-Mail from anybody concerning this problem
Georgios Souleidis (Editor website Schachbundesliga)

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John O

2 years 2 months ago

Shirov would have lost a bishop for a pawn, but forfeiting on move 16 with ALL your other pieces still on the board is pathetic.

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Thomas

2 years 2 months ago

@ask: This question was also asked at the German forum schachfeld.de. Apparently the games are not systematically saved and compiled, apparently others already tried emailing Schachbundesliga in vain .... . Maybe you find a few ones on various club homepages - assuming that you are mostly interested in the Dutch players I checked SG Porz but they don't have anything.

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Michel83

2 years 2 months ago

Ouch...look at Shirov's game against Bezold...I feel sorry for Shirov, but good to see such beginner-blunders happen to GMs sometimes too. The famous "blind spot" I guess. It's ok Alexei, happens to me all the time. ;)

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ask

2 years 2 months ago

1 liga interesting, but where to get pgn from second bundesliga (west)? last seasons. twic and chessassistant dont have it.

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Peter Doggers

2 years 2 months ago

Guess you should drop Schachbundesliga an email.

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Maarten

2 years 2 months ago

@Thomas:
As a matter of fact the games of the second Bundesliga are collected by the arbiters and subsequently put in a Chessbase file. As a player in the 2BL Nord, I receive these files via my club. With some (substantial) delay these games also appear in the Chessbase megabase.

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Thomas

2 years 2 months ago

@Georgios Souleidis: Sorry for making up item #4, indeed this is not mentioned in the discussion I referred to. But apparently you wouldn't be the right person to ask (though you possibly know the right persons), because the Bundesliga is - not only literally - a different league: more professional regarding both the average player and the media coverage (and having more media interest in the first place).
Of course there are also professional players in lower leagues: From a Dutch perspective, I don't think Van Wely, Timman, Van der Doel and Reinderman are playing for Koeln-Porz [only] because they love travelling and playing chess.

@Maarten: This confirms what others wrote at schachfeld.de (actually in 2007/2008)
http://www.schachfeld.de/f15/partien-2-schach-bundesliga-5307/
My summary of the German discussion:
Participating clubs get the games as a (paid) database service. It is then their choice if they
- use this service (I guess most of them do, but one poster complained that he cannot find recent games of his opponents)
- share the games with others for free (e.g. Karlsruhe put the games from the southern league on their webpage)
The fact that the games eventually appear in the Chessbase megabase supports also the suggestion by one poster: "I guess for the federation it is sufficient to hand the games to an exclusive partner so he can better sell his product."

@ask: If you are very seriously interested (I am not, just trying to help), the best might be to contact any club - or, if applicable, any player whom you happen to know personally.

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