Comments on: Carlsen also beats Radjabov, 2-point lead at half time http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/carlsen-also-beats-radjabov-2-point-lead-at-half-time/ The latest chess news online Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:14:47 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: redpawn http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/carlsen-also-beats-radjabov-2-point-lead-at-half-time/comment-page-2/#comment-99764 redpawn Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:08:19 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=16863#comment-99764 Funny how everyone answering to my posts with technicalities....but not understanding (or just not acknowledging understanding) of my point. Michel83 - thanks for the cultural lesson on Bavaria...(not being traditional bear dancing German clothing...) Bartleby - thanks for the note on difference between china and Japan (Geisha clothing). Hope my point is understood regardless: 1. It's unusuall to have super GM's dress accodring to the requirements of the cultural venue they are in... (they should all be in professional business suits). (I hope when they play a tournament in Hawaii - they will not make them dress with hoola dancing outfits). :-) 2.If you're going to make the men's GM section dress in these shirts - it would make sense for ALL participants wear similar outfits.... Funny how everyone answering to my posts with technicalities….but not understanding (or just not acknowledging understanding) of my point.

Michel83 – thanks for the cultural lesson on Bavaria…(not being traditional bear dancing German clothing…)
Bartleby – thanks for the note on difference between china and Japan (Geisha clothing).

Hope my point is understood regardless:
1. It’s unusuall to have super GM’s dress accodring to the requirements of the cultural venue they are in… (they should all be in professional business suits).
(I hope when they play a tournament in Hawaii – they will not make them dress with hoola dancing outfits). :-)

2.If you’re going to make the men’s GM section dress in these shirts – it would make sense for ALL participants wear similar outfits….

]]> By: Bartleby http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/carlsen-also-beats-radjabov-2-point-lead-at-half-time/comment-page-2/#comment-99733 Bartleby Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:43:31 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=16863#comment-99733 Do you know there are some tiny differences between China and Japan, cheongsam and Geisha clothing, sexism against men and sexism by men? By the way: Nana Dzagnidze wears Chinese, seems to help. Do you know there are some tiny differences between China and Japan, cheongsam and Geisha clothing, sexism against men and sexism by men?
By the way: Nana Dzagnidze wears Chinese, seems to help.

]]> By: redpawn http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/carlsen-also-beats-radjabov-2-point-lead-at-half-time/comment-page-2/#comment-99729 redpawn Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:18:17 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=16863#comment-99729 Hey, look at the women's section..... How come the women are not wearing chineese geisa clothings? Why just the GM mens are made to wear these chinese shirts ? That's sexist ! Hey, look at the women’s section…..
How come the women are not wearing chineese geisa clothings?
Why just the GM mens are made to wear these chinese shirts ?
That’s sexist !

]]> By: rajeshv http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/carlsen-also-beats-radjabov-2-point-lead-at-half-time/comment-page-2/#comment-99719 rajeshv Sun, 04 Oct 2009 07:48:47 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=16863#comment-99719 I think the attire is refreshingly different. However, if an invited player really doesn't like this, would they be willing to drop out of the tournament just for this? "Probably not" would be my guess. I guess if the players provide feedback at the end that they would like this condition removed in future tournaments, and if the organizers ignored it, then it would be a sort of cultural imperialism. But as long as the players are ok with it, I think such uniqueness adds a lot of colour (literally) to the event. Are we going to now see folks wearing red&gold to increase their chance of wins? ;) @lanis -- >> and Topalov is in confidence crisis at the moment what do you mean? he doesn't want to show any of his preparations for the big match, and he is at -1. This doesn't add up to a confidence crisis IMO. In any case, slow or bad start, and a strong comeback in the second half is not new for him. So, while he is unlikely to trump carlsen to win the event from this stage, it wouldn't be a surprise to see him finish on +1 or even +2. I think the attire is refreshingly different. However, if an invited player really doesn’t like this, would they be willing to drop out of the tournament just for this? “Probably not” would be my guess. I guess if the players provide feedback at the end that they would like this condition removed in future tournaments, and if the organizers ignored it, then it would be a sort of cultural imperialism. But as long as the players are ok with it, I think such uniqueness adds a lot of colour (literally) to the event.

Are we going to now see folks wearing red&gold to increase their chance of wins? ;)

@lanis — >> and Topalov is in confidence crisis at the moment
what do you mean? he doesn’t want to show any of his preparations for the big match, and he is at -1. This doesn’t add up to a confidence crisis IMO.
In any case, slow or bad start, and a strong comeback in the second half is not new for him. So, while he is unlikely to trump carlsen to win the event from this stage, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see him finish on +1 or even +2.

]]> By: Thomas http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/carlsen-also-beats-radjabov-2-point-lead-at-half-time/comment-page-2/#comment-99706 Thomas Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:19:51 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=16863#comment-99706 On style and openings, a little Kasparov quip from 1987: He prepared for a clock simul against the Swiss national team, looking through hundreds of database games for each opponent (a rather novel approach back then). One of his opponents said he would sidestep Kasparov's preparation by playing an unusual opening - Garry's reply: "He can change his opening but not his style!" [from my memory, I found the games (+4 =1) on chessgames.com, hence the event was in Zurich 1987] On style and openings, a little Kasparov quip from 1987: He prepared for a clock simul against the Swiss national team, looking through hundreds of database games for each opponent (a rather novel approach back then). One of his opponents said he would sidestep Kasparov’s preparation by playing an unusual opening – Garry’s reply: “He can change his opening but not his style!”

[from my memory, I found the games (+4 =1) on chessgames.com, hence the event was in Zurich 1987]

]]> By: Petr http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/carlsen-also-beats-radjabov-2-point-lead-at-half-time/comment-page-2/#comment-99704 Petr Sat, 03 Oct 2009 18:12:50 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=16863#comment-99704 Amazing! Amazing!

]]> By: Ianis http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/carlsen-also-beats-radjabov-2-point-lead-at-half-time/comment-page-2/#comment-99703 Ianis Sat, 03 Oct 2009 18:05:26 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=16863#comment-99703 "but I think chess can benefit from a superstar right now" IMHO it's double edged T.Goto . On the one hand it could be good for chess advertisement , in order to promote events in the main stream medias , but the negative is that a superstar might grab all the headlines and leave nothing for the other players . For instance when Fischer stopped playing in the 70's , the western medias stopped following chess as eagerly because But i still stand to my point , Carlsen is not yet a superstar , because superstar means he's superior to the likes of Anand , Aronian or even Kramnik , which is far from being a fact yet , especially in Match play format . It's likely it will happen in a few years though As for the style , i think Carlsen has a computer style ... i looked at many of his great games , it's just computer style , my comp agrees with most of his moves , he's quite versatile . I don't think he can be compared to Fischer's style , Fischer had no computer preparation , it was all his own ideas and understanding of chess , Fischer's style was more obvious when you compared his style with his contemporaries , nowadays , the difference of styles are far less apparent IMHO , i'd say Carlsen is a mix between Alekhine (positionally solid but creative ) and Polugaevsky (extremely good calculator , classical a but at ease in unbalanced position “but I think chess can benefit from a superstar right now”

IMHO it’s double edged T.Goto . On the one hand it could be good for chess advertisement , in order to promote events in the main stream medias , but the negative is that a superstar might grab all the headlines and leave nothing for the other players . For instance when Fischer stopped playing in the 70’s , the western medias stopped following chess as eagerly because

But i still stand to my point , Carlsen is not yet a superstar , because superstar means he’s superior to the likes of Anand , Aronian or even Kramnik , which is far from being a fact yet , especially in Match play format . It’s likely it will happen in a few years though

As for the style , i think Carlsen has a computer style … i looked at many of his great games , it’s just computer style , my comp agrees with most of his moves , he’s quite versatile . I don’t think he can be compared to Fischer’s style , Fischer had no computer preparation , it was all his own ideas and understanding of chess , Fischer’s style was more obvious when you compared his style with his contemporaries , nowadays , the difference of styles are far less apparent IMHO , i’d say Carlsen is a mix between Alekhine (positionally solid but creative ) and Polugaevsky (extremely good calculator , classical a but at ease in unbalanced position

]]> By: T. Goto http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/carlsen-also-beats-radjabov-2-point-lead-at-half-time/comment-page-2/#comment-99700 T. Goto Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:48:50 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=16863#comment-99700 Thanks for your insights, Thomas and Dr. Berghorn! I know the style is a trickey question, since one has to be able to play wide range of positions to get to the top level. Morozevich, for example, plays nice positional games from time to time. But, still, 'Karpov like' is a nice compliment coming from Kasparov, since 12th champion was his greatest rival. Whether Karpovian or Fischeresque, Carlsen is on the way to become a universal player. I hope he may demonstrate a kind of brilliance Fischer or Kasparov demonstrated. No offence to the great players abound, but I think chess can benefit from a superstar right now. Maybe we will live to see Carlsen wipping up some great fights both against older generations and his contemporaries such as Karjakin and Giri. Thanks for your insights, Thomas and Dr. Berghorn! I know the style is a trickey question, since one has to be able to play wide range of positions to get to the top level. Morozevich, for example, plays nice positional games from time to time. But, still, ‘Karpov like’ is a nice compliment coming from Kasparov, since 12th champion was his greatest rival. Whether Karpovian or Fischeresque, Carlsen is on the way to become a universal player. I hope he may demonstrate a kind of brilliance Fischer or Kasparov demonstrated. No offence to the great players abound, but I think chess can benefit from a superstar right now. Maybe we will live to see Carlsen wipping up some great fights both against older generations and his contemporaries such as Karjakin and Giri.

]]> By: Dr. Wolfgang Berghorn http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/carlsen-also-beats-radjabov-2-point-lead-at-half-time/comment-page-2/#comment-99692 Dr. Wolfgang Berghorn Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:47:45 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=16863#comment-99692 Apropos "STYLE": Doesn´t remind us Carlsen´s play a bit of the Fischer-style?! It´s fascinating to look back in the history of Bobby Fischer´s career while comparing it with the development of Magnus Carlsen´s progressive successes! Apropos “STYLE”: Doesn´t remind us Carlsen´s play a bit of the Fischer-style?! It´s fascinating to look back in the history of Bobby Fischer´s career while comparing it with the development of Magnus Carlsen´s progressive successes!

]]> By: Thomas http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/carlsen-also-beats-radjabov-2-point-lead-at-half-time/comment-page-2/#comment-99688 Thomas Sat, 03 Oct 2009 08:44:27 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=16863#comment-99688 Hmm, doesn't every top player have his own unique style, at least to some extent? Noone is a clone of another top player, and you won't get that far merely copying someone else. Among the current top 10, maybe Kramnik and Leko on one hand, and Topalov/Ivanchuk/Morozevich on the other hand have _similar_ styles. Moreover, style is clearly more than opening choices - though both might be related. From a career perspective, I wonder if anyone's style evolves according to the openings he plays, or conversely, if opening preferences (which may change through time) become "fine-tuned" to one's style. One thing is clear (to me), though: Kasparov's style is different from Carlsen's, giving him "added value" as a coach. He knows in which aspects of the play Carlsen can still improve, I guess opening preparation is one of them. Hmm, doesn’t every top player have his own unique style, at least to some extent? Noone is a clone of another top player, and you won’t get that far merely copying someone else. Among the current top 10, maybe Kramnik and Leko on one hand, and Topalov/Ivanchuk/Morozevich on the other hand have _similar_ styles. Moreover, style is clearly more than opening choices – though both might be related. From a career perspective, I wonder if anyone’s style evolves according to the openings he plays, or conversely, if opening preferences (which may change through time) become “fine-tuned” to one’s style.

One thing is clear (to me), though: Kasparov’s style is different from Carlsen’s, giving him “added value” as a coach. He knows in which aspects of the play Carlsen can still improve, I guess opening preparation is one of them.

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