[lang_nl]Short-Cheparinov: 1-0[/lang_nl][lang_en]Short-Cheparinov: 1-0[/lang_en]
[lang_nl]Nigel Short heeft vandaag op overtuigende wijze Ivan Cheparinov van het bord gezet, en daarmee ongetwijfeld flink wat genoegdoening gehaald.[/lang_nl][lang_en]In a very convincing manner, Nigel Short has beaten Ivan Cheparinov today, surely getting a certain amount of satisfaction along the way.[/lang_en]
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[lang_nl]Na het tumult van gisteren was het niet duidelijk of de partij ?ɬºberhaupt gespeeld zou worden. Cheparinov had twaalf minuten voor de deadline van elf uur zijn excuses schriftelijk ingeleverd, voor het weigeren van het schudden van Shorts hand gisteren. Daarna was het de vraag of Short zou komen opdagen voor de partij, want de avond ervoor had hij nog beweerd dat hij niet zou spelen.
To the Organizing Committee Corus chess tournament
CC : Appeal Committee
STATEMENT
Dear All,
I accept the decision of the Appeal Committee and on the name of chess ,the chess fans and showing respect to the opinion of my colleagues would like to state the following:
I apologize officially to Mr. Short, to the Organizing Committee and the sponsors of Corus chess tournament.
I am ready to play the game today at 13'30 and will shake hands with Mr.Short according to the decision of the Appeal Committee.
Best regards,
Ivan Cheparinov
Veel mensen geloven dat het hele incident ?ɬ©?ɬ©n grote testcase was voor morgen, wanneer Topalov-Kramnik op het programma staat. Een generale repetitie, compleet geregisseerd (letterlijk) door de Bulgaren. Want het kan geen toeval zijn dat het gisteren van begin tot eind door iemand is gefilmd. ChessVibes doet verwoede pogingen neutraal te blijven.
Hoe dan ook, Short kwam dus toch, tot opluchting van de diehard journalisten die aanwezig waren op de rustdag, want we vreesden dat we een uur voor niets moesten wachten. Ongeveer 13.37 uur schudden de heren elkaar toch de hand, waarna de partij begon.
In een positionele variant van de Najdorf werd zwart langzaam maar zeker van het bord geschoven, we kunnen het niet anders stellen. Een overwinning waar Short ook zonder al het tumult trots op zou zijn geweest. Maar helemaal vandaag zal hij er buitengewoon content mee zijn.
Hopelijk hebben we het ergste achter de rug, maar gezien de beladen indeling van morgen is dat nog maar zeer de vraag. "The chess world is getting tougher and tougher," zei Ljubojevic gisteren treffend in de perskamer.[/lang_nl][lang_en]After the tumultous day yesterday, it wasn't clear if this game would be played at all. Cheparinov had delivered his written apologies twelve minutes before the deadline of 11.00 hrs, for refusing to shake hands with Short. It wasn't clear whether the Englishman would show up for the game, because the night before he had declared he would not.
To the Organizing Committee Corus chess tournament
CC : Appeal Committee
STATEMENT
Dear All,
I accept the decision of the Appeal Committee and on the name of chess ,the chess fans and showing respect to the opinion of my colleagues would like to state the following:
I apologize officially to Mr. Short, to the Organizing Committee and the sponsors of Corus chess tournament.
I am ready to play the game today at 13'30 and will shake hands with Mr.Short according to the decision of the Appeal Committee.
Best regards,
Ivan Cheparinov
Many believe that the whole incident was one big testcase for tomorrow, when Topalov-Kramnik is scheduled. A dress rehearsal, a hundred percent directed (literally) by the Bulgarians. Because it couldn't have been a coincidence that it was filmed yesterday from A to Z by someone. ChessVibes is desperately trying to stay neutral.
Anyway, Short did show up, to the relief of those diehard journalists who were present on the rest day, because we feared we had to wait for an hour for nothing. At around 13.37 hrs the two shook hands and the game started.
In a positional line of the Najdorf, Black was outplayed from the beginning - we don't know how to put it differently. Even without its dramatic history, Short would have been proud of this game. But especially today, his win must have given him great satisfaction.
Hopefully the worst is now behind us, but given tomorrow's pairings, that remains to be seen. "The chess world is getting tougher and tougher," as Ljubojevic put it yesterday.[/lang_en]















Comments
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4 years 2 weeks ago
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According to the Corus chess website, Cheparinov also shook hands after the game. Perhaps he was thinking of Bobby's last words: ?¢‚Ǩ?ìNothing eases suffering like human touch!?¢‚Ǩ?
nick
4 years 2 weeks ago
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incidentally a great fisher article here http://www.thesmartset.com/article/article01210802.aspx
nick
4 years 2 weeks ago
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It was a clever ploy from Short. The psychological disadvantage of believing your opponent may not turn up, was fresh in his mind from the world cup against Baramidze. He said he wouldnt play, then delayed his entrance just long enough to raise the question in Cheparinov's mind. Plus for this 10 minutes Ivan was being scrttinized by many cameras. Short then turns up and plays a determined, confident game - recapturing the kind of energy he always displayed on his ascent of the chess pyramid. I think Nigel's dip in form is now over.
Lets not make too big a deal of Ivan's behaviour. No doubt the big bad wolf had a 'hand' in it. He was making a point and thats all. Some quiet and sober words from the arbiter should have been enough. Instead we get this melodramatic brouhaha that we all love so much(!)
As has been suggested, it may all have been part of the big bad wolf's wider plan for the game today. Kramnik should outflank Danilov by a pre-game unveiling of his new manager - Rustam Kamsky (!) followed by a comedy shop 'electrocuting' hand shake....
RobertG
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Jammer dat de 2-0 in de kop van gisteren nu veranderd is in 1-0.
Ik vond die kop wel een mooie samenvatting van deze soap.
Nessie
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Short-Cheparinov alweer 1-0, of nog steeds 1-0 lijken me ook een goede titels en geheel objectief. Je mag de titels toch wel een tikje prikkelend maken?
thunderhead
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Was there no Short-inteview after the game? I would love to hear Nigel going over his win in detail.
ren?ɬ©
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Sorry though it may be, I feel it is necessary to have some basic rules on normal behavior and good spotmanship if we do not want to scare sponsors away from the game.
I would even not be suprised if the organizers of the major tournaments came together to discuss this matter and put their conclusion in future player contracts. The may even decide that a player misbehaving will not get invited or even loses his invitation to one of the other tournaments.
Luckily most players act in a normal way, unfortunately those few that cannot generate a lot of bad publicity.
Paul
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Whatever the discussion about shaking hands...Topalov sadly seems to be indicted again by means off a silly Cheparinov and a dangerous Danailov (behind the curtains) . I don't believe however Short had tuobe presses to play the game keeping in mind he benefited from Corus and the organisers to play this years tournament (on his own request) What about Dutch soccer legend Willem van Hanegem who used to spit in his hands first before shaking them with the referee? Besides that i don't believe Fide should make rules about "sportsmanship" being a corrupt organization in itself!
Eiae
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Organizers should simply stop inviting players managed by Danailov. He is obviously causing major damage to chess in general by his weird attempts to help his players by nasty off-the-board tactics.
Ren?ɬ©
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Funny guy, this Nigel Short. Elsewhere on this website you can find an interview with Short where he says players should arrive in time for a game, while he himself now appeared 7 minutes late for his game with Cheparinov......
peter
4 years 2 weeks ago
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@Martien
Ik vind eigenlijk wel dat je gelijk hebt. Teruggezet naar de oorspronkelijke titel.
arne
4 years 2 weeks ago
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@Martien, peter. It's probably correct to state "1-0" from a journalistic point of view, but that doesn't change the fact that Short *was*, in fact, awarded the same point twice.
Glossu
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Cheparinov deserves to be thrown out of the tournament. Kudos for Short!.
shane
4 years 2 weeks ago
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just awesome that nigel short. he has faced the beast from baku; did any of us realy think he was intimidated by the boy from bulgaria? nigel's finest hour. now he goes on to win the B and plays in the A next year; whereas cheparinov will find himself playing in weekend swiss tournaments, cos he sure as hell isnt going to be invited back to wijk any time soon.
P_S
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Hi guys, having read your reactions, my opinion is Cheparinov and Short have both done wrong things. Let's talk about the game now, because with a nice game they can win confidence back by the chess fans.
Peter Van Nostrand
4 years 2 weeks ago
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cheparinov's an idiot. he should lose the game. i wouldn't play if i was nigel short.
rob
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Is het bekend door w?ɬ?e het voorval gisteren is gefilmd?
Phil
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Cheparinov is right, and Short won on false decision of the arbiter. How stupid must one be, claiming a win for not shaking hands. Crying like a baby, and on the other hand accusing the bulgarians for cheating....
Guillaume
4 years 2 weeks ago
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I hope Short accepts to play. Whatever the result of the game, it would then be a victory for Short. Dainalov and his clique are a disgrace to chess.
Dr. Wolfgang J....
4 years 2 weeks ago
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It would simply be sportsmanship to see the British GM Nigel Short playing round 8 today at 13.30 p.m. against the Bulgarian GM Ivan Cheparinov, who yesterday may have suffered badly from an emotional ("TOILET"-induced?!) brain attack! Go ahead with fighting chess over the board!
tim gluckman
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Cheparinov had the guts to issue a fulsome apology. Now it's up to Short to come to the chessboard and fight it out there.
Philippe Lepers
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Niet al te parano?ɬØde worden!
Het kan moeilijk vooraf allemaal geregisseerd zijn, want wie kon Shorts reactie voorspellen?
Magnus B*
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Silvio "The Toilet" Danailov does it again.
vasil__
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Poor Nigel. To go the arbiter and to claim victory for this. He clearly had insulted the bulgarian before. And what he won exactly - " I won, e4 c5, and I won"????
Charles Kuijpers
4 years 2 weeks ago
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The behaviour of Cheparinov at the start of the game was absolutely wrong. But to my opinion Short tried to abuse it by claiming a win. The decision of the Appeal Committee is right, and Short should play this afternoon. If he doesn't, I would call his behaviour unsportive and childish.
JMW64
4 years 2 weeks ago
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I predict a draw in a few moves
JFR
4 years 2 weeks ago
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I don't get why they scheduled the game so quick after the deadline for the apology expires. They should have scheduled it for thursday or something like that. How can you prepare for a game that may or may not take place? It's strange to hear it hours before it starts.
Both sides have a (small) point. But I could get it if Short decides to say that he doesn't want to play today, but maybe on a later occasion.
rob
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Met het oog op morgen: wat gebeurt er als geen van beide spelers een hand uitsteekt? Als ik de volgende FIDE regel goed begrijp, krijgen ze dan allebei een nul (en zover zullen ze het toch wel niet laten gaan):
"Any player who does not shake hands with the opponent (or greets the opponent in a normal social manner in accordance with the conventional rules of their society) before the game starts in a FIDE tournament or during a FIDE match (and does not do it after being asked to do so by the arbiter) or deliberately insults his/her opponent or the officials of the event, will immediately and finally lose the relevant game".
arne
4 years 2 weeks ago
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They're playing ... check out the corus website to see the moves.
DokterSpock
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Okay, Short plays and he plays the Najdorff, the same variation Anand used yesterday to get his beautiful win over Topalov, 'the other Bulgarian'.
See what this game will bring us, this afternoon. Anyway, the knives are sharpened.
george
4 years 2 weeks ago
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why dont we let them take it in a boxing ring or something?
Bendeguz
4 years 2 weeks ago
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It is about pride! Some top chess players forgot the humbleness and respect for other people. It is true for both person. Proud people can start a war on minor things. But what could you expect, when Short is a proclaimed atheist.
Jonas
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Cheparinov is just pawn in Danailov dirty game.
And one more think
Quote: "Because it couldn?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢t have been a coincidence that the whole scene was filmed by someone accidently. ChessVibes is doing its best to stay neutral."
Maybe someone who knows situation in chess world anticipated this scene and filmed practically accidently.
Rogier van Loon
4 years 2 weeks ago
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It's been a psychological master move from Chepa. Although ethically totally crossed the line.
It would have been unwise for Short to have played the game yesterday, because clearly his concentration had suffered from it. So the decision to call upon the arbiter was right in my eyes. Even today, I believe he'll have a pyschological disadvantage.
But I agree, that whatever the result, Short is the moral winner of this game.
This incident only shows the ruthlessness of the Danailov-camp.
Ray Derivaz
4 years 2 weeks ago
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It was no coincidence that the scene was filmed. The chessdom.com is partial to the Bulgarians and Danailov had announced to them days ago that Topalov would not shake Kramnik's hand. This was just a dress rehearsal to tomorrow's big confrontation. At the time, Chepa had practically lost any hope to win the B tournament and Topa was fighting back in the A group. Now that he lost to Anand, he definitely doesn't have much to lose and Danailov will be free to imagine whatever antics his prodigious brain so frequently concieves...
steven
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Geachte Peter,
Ik waardeer uw poging objectief te blijven, en ik geloof dat u daar goed in slaagt,
in tegenstelling tot de bespottelijke website chessdom.com, die gisteren een extreem staaltje van premature, bevooroordeelde en leugenachtige berichtgeving
ten beste heeft gegeven.
Ik vraag mij af wie daar, achter de schermen, de touwtjes in handen heeft,
maar ach, het antwoord laat zich makkelijk raden.
Dat Susan Polgar, prominent lid van de Amerikaanse schaakbond, dat chessdomme artikel klakkeloos op haar eigen website heeft gepubliceerd,
is voor mij reden genoeg haar website nooit meer te raadplegen.
Groeten en ga zo door !
I_L_L
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Anyone who has ever participated in a tournament knows that this can't be a reason to claim a win. Anybody who says Ivan's behaviour was "not sportsmanlike" clearly doesn't know anything about sports, period. It has never been a necessity to greet an opponent whom you don't respect. I mean.. this guy Short was a regular guest at Topalov's table in San Luis.. Then he did a 180 and switched: started posting pitiable comments accusing him of cheating (which is totally bizarre)... It's only fair that Chepa didn't shake his hand, he's NOT obliged to. PLus it's not anything new in top class chess. What is new and really funny if u look at it from a sportsman point of view is that Short was so quick to go and cry to the arbiter about it:) Just to remind you, this is not the first mess Short ever got himself into (as an instigator). Yes, i said it, an instigator - because what he should've done instead of complaining was to sit, play the game and show who is who.
acirce
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Why on Earth are these people saying that Short accused Topalov of cheating? Ah, yes, because they heard somebody else saying so, etc. No thought of actually trying to have a look at Short's own words, naturally. It's like Danailov's lie about "50 toilet visits per game" - so many people repeated it that it became a "truth" although proven a lie.
Merijn
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Lekker muziekje :-)
forest
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Genius movie!
MC2
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Hi I_L_L, according to you I do not know anything about sports. Still, if someone does not shake hands with me before a game (and after the game as well!) I do not find it sportmanlike... But who are you to decide that I do not know anything about sports?
I_L_L
4 years 2 weeks ago
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MC2 - I'm referring to the rules - a practicing sportsman knows that in sports it is not a necessity to shake the hand of a person who u have no respect for. It might be kind of rude, yes, but what Short did was lower and totally not sportsmanlike - begging for a point over a non existing rule.
acirce - you might want to read this: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3644
acirce
4 years 2 weeks ago
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I_L_L, I've read it many times, and it contains no accusations by Short.
sekarntak
4 years 2 weeks ago
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For my opinion , its not that Bulgarian are insulted, its that act of Ivan is accountable.
Zagreb1959
4 years 2 weeks ago
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This only shows how weak FIDE is because in tennis it?Ǭ¥s completely unthinkable that two players do not shake hands at a start of a game. These mind games that happens in chess outside the board must be punished. How can FIDE think of putting the game in olimpic games this way? It?Ǭ¥s a great shame to see that sportsmanship and education must be part of the rules of chess to be followed. If this incident happened in tennis Mr. Cheparinov would be out of the game for one year to think in his future actions. Some players forget that they simply are the models for lots of children arround the world and are responsible for his actions. Problems can be solved outside the tournaments but inside tournaments any player must respect chess and all fans arround the world. Mr. Danailov is spoiling the image of Bulgarian players and FIDE must grow and be a competent organization.
acirce
4 years 2 weeks ago
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To be even clearer about this, Danailov knows very well that Short made no such accusations, because Short sent him a letter to sort things out.
"Dear Silvio,
Thank you for your e-mail. The statements attributed to me in quotation marks in the original DNA article in India are entirely accurate. However I am not responsible for the commentary and interpretation of those statements in that newspaper, which were done by the journalist, Vijay Tagore. If you check the original article you will see that I did NOT say that I observed ?¢‚Ǩ?ìsomething sinister in San Luis?¢‚Ǩ?. This was Mr Tagore?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢s interpretation of my comment that I was struck by how close you were sitting to Veselin. I did not say that you signalled to him or that I personally observed anything untoward. My comment merely was intended to demonstrate that, had you wanted to signal, it would have been remarkably easy ?¢‚Ǩ‚Äú which is very far from saying that you did such a thing. I might add that I telephoned Frederic Freidel last night to complain about falsely attributing the ?¢‚Ǩ?ìsomething sinister in San Luis?¢‚Ǩ? quote to me. The quotation marks were removed in the chessbase report after that phone call. I had earlier telephoned Chessbase to complain about falsely attributing the ?¢‚Ǩ?ìIt is possible that Topalov cheated?¢‚Ǩ? remark to me on the German webpage. That was the heading of the DNA piece, and they were not my words.
I stand by my remarks about wanting an inquiry. As you are doubtless aware, the chorus of suspicion about the alleged signaling between you and Veselin is very loud indeed and comes from many different quarters. Indeed in my 24 years as a chess professional, I have never heard anything like it before. The allegations are of a very serious nature and it is important, for the sake of chess, that the truth is learned. As you do not have anything to be concerned about, you should welcome this proposal."
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3649
(The last paragraph was omitted when published on veselintopalov.net - scroll down a bit on the Chessbase page to find it.)
Wolf Gray
4 years 2 weeks ago
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What do you think about 41.Bd6 for Short?
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4 years 2 weeks ago
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I think it's time for people to get their cameras and film the final handshake!
P_S
4 years 2 weeks ago
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I think they show a very interesting endgame!
Michel
4 years 2 weeks ago
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This is not my idea of a restday! There opponents for tomorrow are laughing (and preparing) the whole day.
Bendeguz
4 years 2 weeks ago
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By the way, this is good for both of them. EVERYBODY is watching them, all cameras are focusing on them, they are in the news. People usually follow the Group A happenings, now everybody follow them. I am sure, both of them happy about it, now, some people will still speak about these actions 2 years from now.
Jonas
4 years 2 weeks ago
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It's a shame for chessbase that they publish gossip and danailov uses that as cover to start ordinary insulting campaign.
eric
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Go on Nigel!! beat that bad mannered bastard, get 2 queens if you can! really humiliate him
tim gluckman
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Haven't you heard of the proverb,"There is no such thing as BAD publicity!"? All of this talk about it being bad for chess seems to be pure guesswork..
I don't believe that; this controversy is attracting attention and so in the long run it is good publicity. Especially now that they have played.
joe justice answer
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Draw
DokterSpock
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Beatifully played game by Short.
With the last sacrefice he gets the opposition.
Real nice ending of a game full of tensions.
DokterSpock
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Beautifully played game by Short.
With the last sacrefice he gets the opposition.
Real nice ending of a game full of tensions.
chessruledesigner
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Ok .. now its 2-0 for Short.
Congrats!
Wolf Gray
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Did they shake hands after the game :) ?
pal g
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Why can't we all get along like we used to...
http://www.chessbase.com/news/2005/sanluis/r13-05.jpg
Dirk-Willem Swart
4 years 2 weeks ago
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je hebt zeer goede achtergrond muziek gekozen Peter!
Handshake Drugs van Wilco (Jeff Tweedy)
HetMes
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Wow, that was truly masterful play by Nigel.
Q
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Thank you Zagreb1959 for explaining that top level sportsmen have responsibilities toward our youngsters; in fact, they are examples to more than just our youngsters it seems. However difficult it might seem to respect your opponent over the chessboard as well as away from the board, we need to understand that our own perception of the world is not without fault and often we are the ones making the error ourselves. To be on the safe side, initiate dialogue and work it out, or leave it be and forgive. The world is in dire need of "icons" who remind us of the manners we often seem to have forgotten, not ones who show us the route to vicious egocentricity.
Celine
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Thank god, Short won.
joe justice
4 years 2 weeks ago
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There is some justice in the world after all.
Simon
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Another spectacular Bulgarian own goal.
joe justice
4 years 2 weeks ago
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After watching the video I felt sorry for Cheparinov. To some extent due ti his young age he's a victim of danailov's very bad coaching and influence. While danailov was smiling in the video his protege didn't seem at ease at all.
Cheparinov and Topalov should definitely get rid of the sinister danailov.
Bill Brock - Chcago
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Amusing soundtrack: greetings from Wilco's hometown....
jan
4 years 2 weeks ago
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It looks like a draw to me. What am I missing? please help..
Bootvis
4 years 2 weeks ago
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@jan
1 ..... Kxe7
2 Ke5 Kf7
3 Kd6 Kg7
4 Ke7 etc...
Black has to eventually leave his pawn and White's pawn will promote.
jan
4 years 2 weeks ago
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thank you Bootvis..
Aleksander
4 years 2 weeks ago
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I think that shaking hands should not become a matter of official rules. After all, a handshake is a gesture of good will and good will cannot be enforced. When subject to a norm, a gesture stops being a sign of respect or good sportsmanship and becomes a mere step in a proceedure, equivalent to checking if the position of pieces on the table is correct. If Short really insulted Cheparinov and his team then no rule can make him pay his respect to the Englishman. When Short insults people he should keep in mind that they won't be too happy about it.
Danailov's arguments that Short is a "child" are, on the other hand, childish themselves.
Theo
4 years 2 weeks ago
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A handshake is part of the game of chess! I shake hands with my opponents before and after the game! Always! No matter what the result or no matter who i play!
The Bulgarians are a disrespect for the royal game of chess!
I'm glad Short won!
Aleksander
4 years 2 weeks ago
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No, it is not part of the game. If it was a part of the game, then we would need in transcription of the games additional information concerning handshake, how long it lasted, if the players look eachother in the eyes while performing it, if they were smiling et cetera. But that is of course absurd: the only action strictly relevant to the game of chess is the sequence of moves.
What you really mean to say is that it is a part of experience of chess, or better, part of chess culture. But the point is that exactly the "experience" or culture part cannot be a subject to norms. The fact that one shake hands before and after the game is a part of culture or respectfull behaviour only insofar as it is not forced. If it is forced by official rules, then it becomes a constraint, which does not so much express a respect to opponent as a desire not to lose a point.
There is an additional point. Enforcing hanshake as a norm makes a refusal of it even a stronger insult. Imagine facing a player that rather loses a point than to assent to shake hands with you ...
Aleksander
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Pardon, I used the term "norm" rather loosely. A word "rule" fits better.
acirce
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Well done, Nigel. Thank you!
Wolf Gray
4 years 2 weeks ago
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It's a pity that chesspro.ru has no English page. They talk chess, chess and only chess. I have no idea how they survive with zero advertisements, but somehow they do. They don't work on Saturdays :) - I don't care. Peter, isn't it a good idea to help them with English translation or at least to translate some articles and to publish them at your web site? - real chess professionals are working there and chess lovers can learn a lot from them.
Kevin Plant
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Well played Nigel.,!!!
nick
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Who's afraid of the big bad wolf?
Martien
4 years 2 weeks ago
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Peter als je suggereert niet partijdig te zijn dan vind ik het niet netjes de uitslag tussen Short en Cheparinov tot 2-0 te melden. Dan ga je mee in de hetze!
Lajos Arpad
4 years 2 weeks ago
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It was useful for Nigel. He won the battle both morally and mentally.
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