Comments on: Greece upsets Russia in 2nd round World Team Championship http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/greece-upsets-russia-in-2nd-round-world-team-ch/ The latest chess news online Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:23:16 +0200 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: pb http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/greece-upsets-russia-in-2nd-round-world-team-ch/comment-page-1/#comment-103826 pb Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:40:37 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=20902#comment-103826 The previous rounds have had one game between players rated 2680 or higher but today things will be different. As expected Azerbaijan rests Guseinov and the result is three games between 2730+ players: Gashimov-Grischuk Jakovenko-Radjabov Mamedyarov-Morozevich (Fourth board Malakhov-Mamedov) In the other matches there are no games between players rated above 2660. The previous rounds have had one game between players rated 2680 or higher but today things will be different. As expected Azerbaijan rests Guseinov and the result is three games between 2730+ players:

Gashimov-Grischuk
Jakovenko-Radjabov
Mamedyarov-Morozevich
(Fourth board Malakhov-Mamedov)

In the other matches there are no games between players rated above 2660.

]]> By: pb http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/greece-upsets-russia-in-2nd-round-world-team-ch/comment-page-1/#comment-103825 pb Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:08:24 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=20902#comment-103825 "So – if this was possible according to the rules, as it is in other team competitions – the best strategy might be to have Radjabov consistently play black, and Gashimov having white in all of his games?" Yes, and at least with the KID Radjabov's score with black has been impressive. After the loss against Aronian in Linares 2006 I think he has +19 -5 =27 with it, and the stats only get better against the top players, it's +10 -1 =19 in 30 games against 2705+ opposition, if I got it right (+9 -4 =8 against players below 2705). @Afghan: The total between Radjabov and Anand is +2 -2 =9, but in the almost seven years after March 2003 Radjabov has a plus. Against Topalov it's a plus after January 2003, and against Kramnik an even score after July 2003. Of the top players it's only Kasparov he wasn't beaten by when 15 or 16, so in that case he has a career plus thanks to Linares 2003. His last year has probably been his worst in a long time though, so it remains to be seen if those stats against top players will stay as impressive in the future. “So – if this was possible according to the rules, as it is in other team competitions – the best strategy might be to have Radjabov consistently play black, and Gashimov having white in all of his games?”

Yes, and at least with the KID Radjabov’s score with black has been impressive. After the loss against Aronian in Linares 2006 I think he has +19 -5 =27 with it, and the stats only get better against the top players, it’s +10 -1 =19 in 30 games against 2705+ opposition, if I got it right (+9 -4 =8 against players below 2705).

@Afghan: The total between Radjabov and Anand is +2 -2 =9, but in the almost seven years after March 2003 Radjabov has a plus. Against Topalov it’s a plus after January 2003, and against Kramnik an even score after July 2003. Of the top players it’s only Kasparov he wasn’t beaten by when 15 or 16, so in that case he has a career plus thanks to Linares 2003. His last year has probably been his worst in a long time though, so it remains to be seen if those stats against top players will stay as impressive in the future.

]]> By: An Afghan http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/greece-upsets-russia-in-2nd-round-world-team-ch/comment-page-1/#comment-103823 An Afghan Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:56:37 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=20902#comment-103823 i mean plus score i mean plus score

]]> By: An Afghan http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/greece-upsets-russia-in-2nd-round-world-team-ch/comment-page-1/#comment-103822 An Afghan Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:55:27 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=20902#comment-103822 i didn,t know that rajabov has score agaist anand i didn,t know that rajabov has score agaist anand

]]> By: Thomas http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/greece-upsets-russia-in-2nd-round-world-team-ch/comment-page-1/#comment-103820 Thomas Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:15:27 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=20902#comment-103820 @pb: Interesting (but not even surprising given his track record or reputation) that out of Radjabov's five recent wins against Aronian and Gelfand four were with the black pieces. Overall his winning percentage [data from the FIDE rating pages] is higher with black (23%) than white (20%) - of course he also loses more frequently with black, unavoidable when you play the KID. BTW, his white win against Aronian (Linares 2009) was in [sort of] a King's Indian Attack! So - if this was possible according to the rules, as it is in other team competitions - the best strategy might be to have Radjabov consistently play black, and Gashimov having white in all of his games? Agreed regarding Guseinov - actually why is he (2610) board 3, and Mamedov (2640) reserve player? Is this for historical reasons? @pb: Interesting (but not even surprising given his track record or reputation) that out of Radjabov’s five recent wins against Aronian and Gelfand four were with the black pieces. Overall his winning percentage [data from the FIDE rating pages] is higher with black (23%) than white (20%) – of course he also loses more frequently with black, unavoidable when you play the KID. BTW, his white win against Aronian (Linares 2009) was in [sort of] a King’s Indian Attack!

So – if this was possible according to the rules, as it is in other team competitions – the best strategy might be to have Radjabov consistently play black, and Gashimov having white in all of his games?

Agreed regarding Guseinov – actually why is he (2610) board 3, and Mamedov (2640) reserve player? Is this for historical reasons?

]]> By: ebutaljib http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/greece-upsets-russia-in-2nd-round-world-team-ch/comment-page-1/#comment-103816 ebutaljib Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:38:49 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=20902#comment-103816 It doesn't say anywhere that this is only a provisional list or something like that. It explicitly states who is on what board. Otherwise they could just list players without mentioning the boards and reserves. For me it was completely logical to click on the nations flag if i wanted some informations about that specific nation. It doesn’t say anywhere that this is only a provisional list or something like that. It explicitly states who is on what board. Otherwise they could just list players without mentioning the boards and reserves.

For me it was completely logical to click on the nations flag if i wanted some informations about that specific nation.

]]> By: silvakov http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/greece-upsets-russia-in-2nd-round-world-team-ch/comment-page-1/#comment-103815 silvakov Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:22:27 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=20902#comment-103815 When you click on the flags or any link in the home page, it shows an "alleatory" order for the players in their teams, some by rating, some by success, etc. These links offer simply a "cosmetic" view of the participants. The official version of the board order is in the "players" section (as the chess-results layout in that page also indicates...) When you click on the flags or any link in the home page, it shows an “alleatory” order for the players in their teams, some by rating, some by success, etc. These links offer simply a “cosmetic” view of the participants. The official version of the board order is in the “players” section (as the chess-results layout in that page also indicates…)

]]> By: pb http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/greece-upsets-russia-in-2nd-round-world-team-ch/comment-page-1/#comment-103812 pb Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:52:19 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=20902#comment-103812 "None of the top players you mentioned participate in the tournament, and Radjabov’s score against those present (Grischuk, Aronian, Gelfand) seems to be roughly even, nothing more and nothing less" Yes, even if in the five latest decisive games against Aronian and Gelfand he has 5-0, and in general he does much better the stronger the opposition. When Azerbaijan has scored their best results it has been thanks to Gashimov and Mamedyarov on the lower boards. Radjabov isn't the one to line up wins against 2600-50s, in such games Mamedyarov and Gashimov seem to be clearly better players, but against 2700-50s it has been the other way around. The big problem for Azerbaijan is Guseinov on board 3. In the European Team Championship he scored -2 and now he is -1 here. Mamedov has played much better in the team events (+2 in ETC) but is only reserve. Against Russia Azmaiparashvili will surely field Gashimov-Radjabov-Mamedyarov-Mamedov “None of the top players you mentioned participate in the tournament, and Radjabov’s score against those present (Grischuk, Aronian, Gelfand) seems to be roughly even, nothing more and nothing less”

Yes, even if in the five latest decisive games against Aronian and Gelfand he has 5-0, and in general he does much better the stronger the opposition. When Azerbaijan has scored their best results it has been thanks to Gashimov and Mamedyarov on the lower boards. Radjabov isn’t the one to line up wins against 2600-50s, in such games Mamedyarov and Gashimov seem to be clearly better players, but against 2700-50s it has been the other way around.

The big problem for Azerbaijan is Guseinov on board 3. In the European Team Championship he scored -2 and now he is -1 here. Mamedov has played much better in the team events (+2 in ETC) but is only reserve. Against Russia Azmaiparashvili will surely field Gashimov-Radjabov-Mamedyarov-Mamedov

]]> By: ebutaljib http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/greece-upsets-russia-in-2nd-round-world-team-ch/comment-page-1/#comment-103811 ebutaljib Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:39:40 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=20902#comment-103811 Ok, then it is explaine, there are several version of board order on official site. I clicked on the team flags on the official site and the board order is what i said. It would be really odd if they could shuffle freely. In that case we don't really need board numbering ;) Ok, then it is explaine, there are several version of board order on official site. I clicked on the team flags on the official site and the board order is what i said.

It would be really odd if they could shuffle freely. In that case we don’t really need board numbering ;)

]]> By: Thomas http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/greece-upsets-russia-in-2nd-round-world-team-ch/comment-page-1/#comment-103809 Thomas Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:23:20 +0000 http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=20902#comment-103809 None of the top players you mentioned participate in the tournament, and Radjabov's score against those present (Grischuk, Aronian, Gelfand) seems to be roughly even, nothing more and nothing less. Maybe they expected more from Gashimov and/or wanted to give him (finally!?) some practice against the elite - where he now belongs by rating. But today it didn't work out: Gashimov and Guseinov lost, one Mamedyarov wasn't enough - 2.5-1.5 for India. This also means that Russia (3-1 against USA) is back in business - was the loss against Greece a timely warning? None of the top players you mentioned participate in the tournament, and Radjabov’s score against those present (Grischuk, Aronian, Gelfand) seems to be roughly even, nothing more and nothing less. Maybe they expected more from Gashimov and/or wanted to give him (finally!?) some practice against the elite – where he now belongs by rating.

But today it didn’t work out: Gashimov and Guseinov lost, one Mamedyarov wasn’t enough – 2.5-1.5 for India. This also means that Russia (3-1 against USA) is back in business – was the loss against Greece a timely warning?

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