Reports | March 01, 2011 0:54

March ratings: Anand number one again

At 2817 World Champion Viswanathan Anand is officially the highest rated player again. On the March 1st FIDE rating list the Indian switched places with Magnus Carlsen from Norway, who has 2815. Vassily Ivanchuk is back on 5th place, while Hikaru Nakamura climbed further from 10th to 8th.

Also in November 2010 Vishy Anand surpassed Magnus Carlsen on the rating list, but two months later the Norwegian had won back the #1 spot. Now, thanks to his +4 score in Wijk aan Zee, the World Champion won 7 rating points to end on 2817, while Carlsen won just 1 point, arriving at 2815 on the current list. All this is not big news to anyone following Hans Arild Runde's "live list", of which the top 10 is also to be found in the far right column on this website.

Levon Aronian won 3 points more and so improved his all-time best rating to 2808. He remains the world's 3rd player, ahead of Vladimir Kramnik. Thanks to a superb result in Gibraltar, Vassily Ivanchuk climbed from 9th to 5th place, pushing Sergei Karjakin one spot down the list. Hikaru Nakamura climbed further from 10th to 8th and to emphasize his elite status, he cancelled the U.S. Championship and instead will prepare for his next big events: Bazna and Dortmund.

Maxime Vachier-Lagrave won 13 points and re-entered the world's top 20. Fabiano Caruana lost 5 points but is still the highest rated Junior, 26 point ahead of Anish Giri. Now the strongest Dutchman, Giri entered the world's top 50 at 2690. Alexei Shirov, now rated 2701, dropped from 24 to 38.

The women's top 3 (Judit Polgar, Humpy Koneru and Hou Yifan) didn't play rated games. Nana Dzagnidze is now 4th after winning 17 points while Tatiana Kosintseva dropped to 6th place, behind her sister Nadezhda. Kateryna Lahno is back in the top 10. Below you'll find the new top 100, the top 100 women, the top 20 juniors and the top 20 girls. We give the first two lists including the changes with the previous lists.

FIDE MARCH 2011 RATING LIST: TOP 100 PLAYERS

Legend:

black color - player remained on the same position

green color - player moved up in the list

red color - player moved down in the list

blue color - player is new to the current Top list

Old represents player's position in the previous period list

Rank   Old    Name Title Country Rating Games
 1  2  Anand, Viswanathan  g  IND  2817 (+7)  13 (-4)
 2  1  Carlsen, Magnus  g  NOR  2815 (+1)  13 (-4)
 3  3  Aronian, Levon  g  ARM  2808 (+3)  13 (+4)
 4  4  Kramnik, Vladimir  g  RUS  2785 (+1)  13 (-3)
 5  9  Ivanchuk, Vassily  g  UKR  2779 (+15)  19 (+19)
 6  5  Karjakin, Sergey  g  RUS  2776 (0)  0 (-20)
 7  6  Topalov, Veselin  g  BUL  2775 (0)  0 (-10)
 8  10  Nakamura, Hikaru  g  USA  2774 (+23)  13 (-3)
 9  8  Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar  g  AZE  2772 (0)  0 (-9)
 10  7  Grischuk, Alexander  g  RUS  2747 (-26)  13 (-7)
 11  13  Gashimov, Vugar  g  AZE  2746 (+10)  9 (-1)
 12  12  Radjabov, Teimour  g  AZE  2744 (0)  0 (0)
 13  11  Ponomariov, Ruslan  g  UKR  2743 (-1)  13 (+13)
 14  14  Wang, Yue  g  CHN  2734 (0)  0 (-21)
 15  19  Kamsky, Gata  g  USA  2733 (+3)  9 (+3)
 16  16  Gelfand, Boris  g  ISR  2733 (0)  0 (-9)
 17  18  Svidler, Peter  g  RUS  2730 (0)  0 (-11)
 18  15  Nepomniachtchi, Ian  g  RUS  2729 (-4)  13 (+2)
 19  31  Vachier-Lagrave, Maxime  g  FRA  2728 (+13)  22 (+16)
 20  17  Wang, Hao  g  CHN  2728 (-3)  13 (-20)
 21  21  Eljanov, Pavel  g  UKR  2724 (0)  0 (-9)
 22  34  Navara, David  g  CZE  2722 (+14)  22 (+22)
 23  33  Vitiugov, Nikita  g  RUS  2720 (+11)  9 (-2)
 24  27  Almasi, Zoltan  g  HUN  2719 (0)  0 (-10)
 25  22  Bacrot, Etienne  g  FRA  2718 (-5)  14 (+4)
 26  28  Jakovenko, Dmitry  g  RUS  2718 (0)  9 (-2)
 27  29  Leko, Peter  g  HUN  2717 (0)  0 (0)
 28  25  Caruana, Fabiano  g  ITA  2716 (-5)  19 (+1)
 29  26  Movsesian, Sergei  g  ARM  2716 (-5)  18 (+18)
 30  23  Adams, Michael  g  ENG  2716 (-7)  10 (+3)
 31  30  Dominguez Perez, Leinier  g  CUB  2716 (0)  0 (0)
 32  32  Malakhov, Vladimir  g  RUS  2714 (0)  0 (-14)
 33  20  Wojtaszek, Radoslaw  g  POL  2711 (-15)  22 (+22)
 34  38  Efimenko, Zahar  g  UKR  2708 (+7)  13 (+13)
 35  40  Vallejo Pons, Francisco  g  ESP  2707 (+9)  19 (+19)
 36  41  Tomashevsky, Evgeny  g  RUS  2707 (+12)  9 (-2)
 37  36  Jobava, Baadur  g  GEO  2707 (0)  0 (0)
 38  24  Shirov, Alexei  g  ESP  2701 (-21)  13 (-2)
 39  43  Dreev, Aleksey  g  RUS  2697 (+3)  9 (-9)
 40  39  Morozevich, Alexander  g  RUS  2694 (-6)  9 (+9)
 41  35  Fressinet, Laurent  g  FRA  2693 (-14)  13 (-2)
 42  42  Sutovsky, Emil  g  ISR  2692 (-3)  9 (+9)
 43  52  Giri, Anish  g  NED  2690 (+4)  15 (+8)
 44  79  Le, Quang Liem  g  VIE  2689 (+25)  40 (+35)
 45  37  Alekseev, Evgeny  g  RUS  2688 (-13)  11 (+11)
 46  49  Laznicka, Viktor  g  CZE  2688 (0)  0 (0)
 47  66  Areshchenko, Alexander  g  UKR  2687 (+16)  22 (+13)
 48  55  Kasimdzhanov, Rustam  g  UZB  2687 (+6)  9 (+2)
 49  47  Andreikin, Dmitry  g  RUS  2686 (-3)  9 (0)
 50  51  Bruzon Batista, Lazaro  g  CUB  2686 (0)  0 (-18)
 51  53  Polgar, Judit  g  HUN  2686 (0)  0 (0)
 52  54  Naiditsch, Arkadij  g  GER  2684 (-1)  9 (+9)
 53  78  McShane, Luke J  g  ENG  2683 (+19)  13 (+6)
 54  45  Sasikiran, Krishnan  g  IND  2682 (-8)  9 (0)
 55  67  Zhigalko, Sergei  g  BLR  2680 (+9)  23 (+14)
 56  48  Riazantsev, Alexander  g  RUS  2679 (-10)  9 (+9)
 57  46  Onischuk, Alexander  g  USA  2678 (-11)  19 (+6)
 58  57  Berkes, Ferenc  g  HUN  2678 (0)  0 (-9)
 59  60  Rublevsky, Sergei  g  RUS  2678 (0)  0 (0)
 60  62  Van Wely, Loek  g  NED  2677 (+1)  15 (+3)
 61  50  Motylev, Alexander  g  RUS  2677 (-10)  9 (+6)
 62  58  Volokitin, Andrei  g  UKR  2677 (-1)  9 (+7)
 63  61  Bu, Xiangzhi  g  CHN  2677 (0)  0 (-18)
 64  89  Short, Nigel D  g  ENG  2676 (+18)  19 (+6)
 65  75  Sargissian, Gabriel  g  ARM  2676 (+9)  13 (+13)
 66  84  Grachev, Boris  g  RUS  2675 (+15)  20 (+8)
 67  63  Akopian, Vladimir  g  ARM  2675 (0)  0 (0)
 68  65  Inarkiev, Ernesto  g  RUS  2674 (+2)  11 (+2)
 69  59  Nisipeanu, Liviu-Dieter  g  ROU  2673 (-5)  10 (+10)
 70  70  Moiseenko, Alexander  g  UKR  2673 (+3)  4 (+4)
 71  76  Kobalia, Mikhail  g  RUS  2672 (+6)  9 (+9)
 72  44  Bologan, Viktor  g  MDA  2671 (-22)  23 (+16)
 73  69  Miroshnichenko, Evgenij  g  UKR  2670 (0)  0 (0)
 74  71  Nielsen, Peter Heine  g  DEN  2670 (0)  0 (0)
 75  73  Meier, Georg  g  GER  2669 (+2)  7 (-3)
 76  64  So, Wesley  g  PHI  2667 (-6)  19 (+1)
 77  86  Mamedov, Rauf  g  AZE  2667 (+7)  9 (+9)
 78  72  Georgiev, Kiril  g  BUL  2666 (-3)  10 (+10)
 79  56  Timofeev, Artyom  g  RUS  2665 (-16)  19 (+19)
 80  74  Harikrishna, P.  g  IND  2665 (-2)  10 (+1)
 81  77  Cheparinov, Ivan  g  BUL  2664 (-1)  20 (+11)
 82  83  Zvjaginsev, Vadim  g  RUS  2663 (+3)  15 (-5)
 83  80  Bareev, Evgeny  g  RUS  2663 (0)  0 (0)
 84  100  Khismatullin, Denis  g  RUS  2662 (+13)  18 (-2)
 85  99  Fedorchuk, Sergey A.  g  UKR  2662 (+12)  16 (-6)
 86  94  Fridman, Daniel  g  GER  2661 (+6)  10 (+1)
 87  102  Roiz, Michael  g  ISR  2661 (+12)  10 (+10)
 88  87  Socko, Bartosz  g  POL  2660 (0)  18 (+18)
 89  82  Smeets, Jan  g  NED  2660 (-2)  15 (+14)
 90  93  Zhou, Jianchao  g  CHN  2660 (+5)  9 (-17)
 91  85  Smirin, Ilia  g  ISR  2658 (-2)  5 (-4)
 92  91  Feller, Sebastien  g  FRA  2657 (0)  0 (0)
 93  92  Nyback, Tomi  g  FIN  2656 (0)  2 (0)
 94  81  Kurnosov, Igor  g  RUS  2653 (-9)  9 (-9)
 95  97  Potkin, Vladimir  g  RUS  2653 (+2)  8 (-3)
 96  95  Milov, Vadim  g  SUI  2653 (0)  0 (-9)
 97  -  Yu, Yangyi  g  CHN  2652 (+)  27 (+)
 98  88  Gharamian, Tigran  g  FRA  2650 (-8)  13 (0)
 99  68  Korobov, Anton  g  UKR  2647 (-23)  9 (-9)
 100  96  Gustafsson, Jan  g  GER  2647 (-5)  7 (+7)



FIDE MARCH 2011 RATING LIST: TOP 100 WOMEN

Rank   Old    Name Title Country Rating Games
 1  1  Polgar, Judit  g  HUN  2686 (0)  0 (0)
 2  2  Koneru, Humpy  g  IND  2607 (0)  0 (-18)
 3  3  Hou, Yifan  g  CHN  2602 (0)  0 (-23)
 4  6  Dzagnidze, Nana  g  GEO  2567 (+17)  10 (+6)
 5  5  Kosintseva, Nadezhda  m  RUS  2567 (+15)  10 (-1)
 6  4  Kosintseva, Tatiana  g  RUS  2559 (-11)  10 (-5)
 7  11  Lahno, Kateryna  g  UKR  2531 (+13)  18 (+10)
 8  8  Muzychuk, Anna  m  SLO  2528 (-1)  4 (-2)
 9  9  Cmilyte, Viktorija  g  LTU  2526 (0)  10 (-4)
 10  10  Harika, Dronavalli  m  IND  2524 (+4)  10 (-6)
 11  7  Stefanova, Antoaneta  g  BUL  2523 (-23)  10 (+6)
 12  13  Ju, Wenjun  wg  CHN  2519 (+5)  9 (-8)
 13  17  Zhu, Chen  g  QAT  2506 (+11)  10 (0)
 14  15  Kosteniuk, Alexandra  g  RUS  2503 (+5)  22 (+5)
 15  14  Chiburdanidze, Maia  g  GEO  2502 (0)  0 (-4)
 16  19  Zatonskih, Anna  m  USA  2499 (+6)  10 (+4)
 17  16  Galliamova, Alisa  m  RUS  2497 (0)  0 (-11)
 18  18  Zhao, Xue  g  CHN  2495 (+1)  18 (-3)
 19  20  Socko, Monika  g  POL  2495 (+6)  15 (+6)
 20  21  Sebag, Marie  g  FRA  2489 (0)  0 (-4)
 21  12  Cramling, Pia  g  SWE  2484 (-32)  21 (+17)
 22  22  Xu, Yuhua  g  CHN  2484 (0)  0 (-2)
 23  24  Ruan, Lufei  wg  CHN  2480 (0)  0 (-14)
 24  25  Muzychuk, Mariya  m  UKR  2476 (0)  0 (-6)
 25  37  Danielian, Elina  g  ARM  2475 (+21)  9 (+7)
 26  26  Mkrtchian, Lilit  m  ARM  2475 (0)  0 (-2)
 27  23  Krush, Irina  m  USA  2472 (-11)  15 (-2)
 28  29  Gunina, Valentina  wg  RUS  2472 (+1)  9 (-2)
 29  47  Khotenashvili, Bela  m  GEO  2465 (+25)  18 (+18)
 30  28  Paehtz, Elisabeth  m  GER  2464 (-8)  6 (+2)
 31  41  Melia, Salome  m  GEO  2462 (+13)  21 (+21)
 32  32  Arakhamia-Grant, Ketevan  g  SCO  2458 (0)  0 (0)
 33  31  Skripchenko, Almira  m  FRA  2458 (0)  0 (-8)
 34  33  Dembo, Yelena  m  GRE  2457 (0)  0 (-6)
 35  34  Hoang Thanh Trang  g  HUN  2456 (0)  0 (-14)
 36  38  Hunt, Harriet V  m  ENG  2454 (0)  0 (0)
 37  36  Ushenina, Anna  m  UKR  2454 (0)  0 (-11)
 38  40  Polgar, Sofia  m  HUN  2450 (0)  0 (0)
 39  27  Pogonina, Natalija  wg  RUS  2446 (-26)  18 (+5)
 40  42  Rajlich, Iweta  m  POL  2446 (0)  0 (0)
 41  43  Repkova, Eva  m  SVK  2446 (0)  0 (0)
 42  44  Atalik, Ekaterina  m  TUR  2444 (0)  0 (0)
 43  46  Zhukova, Natalia  g  UKR  2443 (+2)  10 (+8)
 44  45  Shen, Yang  wg  CHN  2443 (0)  0 (-5)
 45  48  Javakhishvili, Lela  m  GEO  2437 (-1)  17 (+17)
 46  50  Khurtsidze, Nino  m  GEO  2436 (0)  12 (+12)
 47  30  Gaponenko, Inna  m  UKR  2435 (-31)  19 (+10)
 48  62  Munguntuul, Batkhuyag  m  MGL  2434 (+24)  9 (+7)
 49  39  Vijayalakshmi, Subbaraman  m  IND  2431 (-23)  11 (+11)
 50  51  Turova, Irina  m  RUS  2428 (-6)  15 (+13)
 51  53  Tan, Zhongyi  wg  CHN  2428 (0)  0 (-3)
 52  54  Kovalevskaya, Ekaterina  m  RUS  2427 (0)  0 (0)
 53  55  Zaiatz, Elena  m  RUS  2426 (0)  0 (0)
 54  35  Paikidze, Nazi  wg  GEO  2425 (-30)  21 (+1)
 55  61  Moser, Eva  m  AUT  2425 (+12)  14 (+14)
 56  52  Girya, Olga  wg  RUS  2425 (-4)  9 (-2)
 57  56  Bodnaruk, Anastasia  m  RUS  2423 (-2)  9 (-11)
 58  49  Khukhashvili, Sopiko  m  GEO  2421 (-16)  12 (+8)
 59  57  Houska, Jovanka  m  ENG  2419 (0)  0 (-4)
 60  58  Vasilevich, Tatjana  m  UKR  2418 (0)  0 (-9)
 61  63  Foisor, Cristina-Adela  m  ROU  2416 (+11)  24 (+22)
 62  60  Peptan, Corina-Isabela  m  ROU  2415 (+1)  9 (+9)
 63  74  Tania, Sachdev  m  IND  2407 (+16)  24 (+18)
 64  59  Ovod, Evgenija  m  RUS  2405 (-9)  9 (-9)
 65  64  Romanko, Marina  m  RUS  2402 (-2)  16 (+3)
 66  66  Jackova, Jana  m  CZE  2402 (0)  0 (0)
 67  65  Madl, Ildiko  m  HUN  2402 (0)  0 (-4)
 68  67  Stockova, Zuzana  m  SVK  2400 (0)  0 (0)
 69  70  Matnadze, Ana  m  GEO  2399 (+2)  8 (-1)
 70  68  Wang, Yu A.  m  CHN  2398 (0)  0 (-5)
 71  69  Shadrina, Tatiana  wg  RUS  2397 (0)  0 (-15)
 72  73  Huang, Qian  wg  CHN  2394 (0)  0 (-17)
 73  77  Michna, Marta  wg  GER  2389 (0)  0 (0)
 74  94  Zawadzka, Jolanta  wg  POL  2386 (+15)  18 (+11)
 75  79  Cori T., Deysi  wg  PER  2386 (0)  0 (-22)
 76  81  Zdebskaja, Natalia  wg  UKR  2384 (0)  0 (-18)
 77  71  Savina, Anastasia  wg  RUS  2383 (-14)  9 (+9)
 78  82  Gara, Anita  m  HUN  2382 (0)  0 (0)
 79  84  Alexandrova, Olga  m  ESP  2381 (0)  0 (0)
 80  85  Kononenko, Tatiana  m  UKR  2381 (0)  0 (0)
 81  86  Matveeva, Svetlana  m  RUS  2380 (0)  0 (-11)
 82  87  Bojkovic, Natasa  m  SRB  2379 (0)  0 (0)
 83  88  Tsereteli, Tamar  wg  GEO  2379 (0)  0 (0)
 84  80  Galojan, Lilit  m  ARM  2377 (-8)  9 (+9)
 85  75  Kovanova, Baira  wg  RUS  2376 (-15)  24 (+20)
 86  72  Batsiashvili, Nino  wg  GEO  2376 (-20)  12 (+3)
 87  -  Lomineishvili, Maia  m  GEO  2376 (+)  12 (+)
 88  89  Ding, Yixin  wg  CHN  2376 (0)  0 (-5)
 89  91  Charkhalashvili, Inga  wg  GEO  2375 (0)  0 (0)
 90  93  Peng, Zhaoqin  g  NED  2372 (0)  0 (-2)
 91  92  Pourkashiyan, Atousa  wg  IRI  2371 (-2)  18 (+11)
 92  76  Stepovaia, Tatiana  wg  RUS  2371 (-18)  13 (+4)
 93  -  Zozulia, Anna  m  BEL  2369 (+)  23 (+)
 94  90  Milliet, Sophie  m  FRA  2369 (-6)  11 (+7)
 95  95  Gu, Xiaobing  wg  CHN  2369 (0)  0 (0)
 96  -  Soumya, Swaminathan  wg  IND  2368 (+)  18 (+)
 97  -  Fierro Baquero, Martha L.  m  ECU  2367 (+)  9 (+)
 98  96  Goletiani, Rusudan  m  USA  2367 (0)  0 (-4)
 99  98  Vajda, Szidonia  m  HUN  2365 (0)  0 (-7)
 100  100  Gaprindashvili, Nona  g  GEO  2362 (0)  0 (-9)
 101  102  Rogule, Laura  wg  LAT  2362 (0)  0 (0)


FIDE MARCH 2011 RATING LIST: TOP 20 JUNIORS

Rank Name Title Country Rating Games B-Year
 1  Caruana, Fabiano  g  ITA  2716  19  1992
 2  Giri, Anish  g  NED  2690  15  1994
 3  Le, Quang Liem  g  VIE  2689  40  1991
 4  So, Wesley  g  PHI  2667  19  1993
 5  Feller, Sebastien  g  FRA  2657  0  1991
 6  Yu, Yangyi  g  CHN  2652  27  1994
 7  Sjugirov, Sanan  g  RUS  2643  26  1993
 8  Ding, Liren  g  CHN  2637  9  1992
 9  Salgado Lopez, Ivan  g  ESP  2630  9  1991
 10  Kovalyov, Anton  g  ARG  2629  0  1992
 11  Safarli, Eltaj  g  AZE  2628  11  1992
 12  Matlakov, Maxim  g  RUS  2625  9  1991
 13  Negi, Parimarjan  g  IND  2618  11  1993
 14  Hou, Yifan  g  CHN  2602  0  1994
 15  Nabaty, Tamir  g  ISR  2581  22  1991
 16  Ter-Sahakyan, Samvel  g  ARM  2575  11  1993
 17  Hess, Robert L  g  USA  2565  30  1991
 18  Nyzhnyk, Illya  m  UKR  2563  22  1996
 19  Cordova, Emilio  g  PER  2562  5  1991
 20  Zherebukh, Yaroslav  g  UKR  2560  22  1993
 21  Hovhannisyan, Robert  g  ARM  2560  11  1991


FIDE MARCH 2011 RATING LIST: TOP 20 GIRLS

Rank Name Title Country Rating Games B-Year
 1  Hou, Yifan  g  CHN  2602  0  1994
 2  Harika, Dronavalli  m  IND  2524  10  1991
 3  Ju, Wenjun  wg  CHN  2519  9  1991
 4  Muzychuk, Mariya  m  UKR  2476  0  1992
 5  Tan, Zhongyi  wg  CHN  2428  0  1991
 6  Paikidze, Nazi  wg  GEO  2425  21  1993
 7  Girya, Olga  wg  RUS  2425  9  1991
 8  Bodnaruk, Anastasia  m  RUS  2423  9  1992
 9  Cori T., Deysi  wg  PER  2386  0  1993
 10  Savina, Anastasia  wg  RUS  2383  9  1992
 11  Ding, Yixin  wg  CHN  2376  0  1991
 12  Sukandar, Irine Kharisma  wg  INA  2354  18  1992
 13  Padmini, Rout  wg  IND  2342  11  1994
 14  Bhakti, Kulkarni  c  IND  2339  39  1992
 15  Guramishvili, Sopiko  wg  GEO  2334  9  1991
 16  Pustovoitova, Daria  f  RUS  2333  13  1994
 17  Guo, Qi    CHN  2331  9  1995
 18  Nguyen, Thi Mai Hung  wm  VIE  2320  27  1994
 19  Kashlinskaya, Alina  wg  RUS  2320  9  1993
 20  Soloviova, Liza  wg  UKR  2318  0  1993

All data courtesy of FIDE


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ozan's picture

ozan

2 years 2 months ago

Accumulation on players with >2700, and top 10 has many players with >2770.
But still, no one really could force top rating of Garry!..
Hope that Shirov and Moro would get to the top 10! Shirov and Chucky always moves a lot. But what is happening with Moro? If I am not mistaken, it was 2008 ratings that he was on top for a while.

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RealityCheck

2 years 2 months ago

Fact is, the FIDE World Champion and World #1 is IGM Viswanathan Anand.

And, we shd note that IGM Anand gives the ELO rating added value simultaneously being the current FIDE World Champion and World #1. 

Respect !!!

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S2

2 years 2 months ago

There can defenitely be little doubt who is in general the strongest player at the moment, but not because of this silly thing called rating. Anand is playing very strong and super solid (just like Aronian and Karjakin)lately not losing a single game at London and Corus. In contrast Carlsen and Kramnik can play really bad now and then (though I think they are both having fun experimenting a little, especially Krammy).
Respect for sure!

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columbo

2 years 2 months ago

rating is silly only for those who are not on the top baby s2 blue

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S2

2 years 2 months ago

I rating is so important, then you should only watch engine tournaments..Much higher rated than humans, engines must understand the game way deeper, no ?

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gg

2 years 2 months ago

I don't agree that Anand is so vastly superior to all other players right now, if he was he wouldn't go more than three years without winning a single tournament or be even with Topalov with one game left of the title match. But he is one of the greatest players of our time and a great World Champion.

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S2

2 years 2 months ago

Well, he finished unbeaten shared first at London. Kramnik and Topalov couldn't defeat him in matches, no one could win against him at London and Wijk, and Carlsen has a bad record against him for the last couple of years as well. Maybe Aronian has a shot, but like I said he is the only one who is as solid as Anand. I wouldn't say he is vastly superior, but it looks like him being almost undefeatable.

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gg

2 years 2 months ago

Separating top players is difficult as Anand-Topalov proved, and Topalov hasn't been a top 5 player lately, maybe he hasn't even played top 10 chess the last year. So some doubt left for me until Anand wins something against stronger opposition than Topalov (it hasn't happened since 2008).

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gk

2 years 2 months ago

Topalov had ELO 2812 in May 2010 when the WCC match between Anand-Topalov took place.

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columbo

2 years 2 months ago

a robot can drive a car, it doesnt mean that people can not enjoy driving the same car ... confused ?

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columbo

2 years 2 months ago

also, read IVANCHUK interview ...

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S2

2 years 2 months ago

I am not saying you should quit playing chess so I don't really understand your comparison. So yes I am confused, but your posts tend to achieve that with many people.

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S2

2 years 2 months ago

what does this mean?

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Bende

2 years 2 months ago

Very interesting the 25 points difference between the 9th and 10th.

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pomonado

2 years 2 months ago

Morozevich, Shirov and Ivanchuk have the most interesting elo rating graphs known to mankind :)

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Chris In St Maur

2 years 2 months ago

It means that if Anand (#1) & Gustaffson (#100) played a sufficiently long match, that Anand would probably (not certainly !!!) win.

Elo himself said somthing to the effect that 10 or 20 points is not really a significant difference, but 50 points is.

So basically there are 3 guys at the top in a bunch with no real significant difference in strength (> 2800).

Then there's another group of 6 guys who are slightly weaker (>2770).

Then there's a whole host of guys who are between 2700 & 2750, any one of whom would beat the pants off you or me playing in their sleep.

In women's chess there is Judith, who doesn't play girls, then way back are Humpy & Hou, then there are a whole bunch of women way behind them any one of whom etc.

What is interesting to me is to look at up & coming talent, like Giri, Le who has already won the ultra-tough Aeroflot tournament twice running, Hou (who has already been crowned World Champion at 16, having had a near miss when she was 14). Then by looking at their birthdates we can guess who has a lot of room for quick improvement (according to Elo, male players tend to be about 100 points off their peak at age 21, Before that they can go up as fast as 100 points in a year. & I have a hunch women stop their rapid improvement younger). & so we can know who is going to be in the top bunch & producing beautiful games in a not so far off future.

That's what it means. But Elo ratings are statistical, & in statistics, you can't argue from the general to the specific - & particularly not to one game. So I suggest that you don't take Elo ratings that seriously. Fischer, Karpov and Kasparov lost or drew the occasional game to players with a far lower rating.

Prepare a little heap of salt. That way you can take rating lists with a grain of salt.

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S2

2 years 2 months ago

I don't understand. Would this also mean that someone who didn't play somehow got weaker then guys that meanwhile overtook him with 20+ ratingpoints?
And thanks for the explanation.

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Juan

2 years 2 months ago

What does the number inside parenthesis inthe Games columnn mean?
for example:

Anand, Viswanathan 13 (-4)
Giri, Anish 15 (+8)
Le, Quang Liem 40 (+35)

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Peter Doggers

2 years 2 months ago

That must be number of games rated for this list, and the difference with the previous list (13 games for Anand = Tata, and apparently in the previous list 17 of Vishy's games were rated).

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Juan

2 years 2 months ago

Oh true! thanks.

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ChessMD

2 years 2 months ago

If Polgar plays only against men, then she should not be included on female top 100 ranking list. According to statistics rules her ranking might be wrong if placed on women list. Is biased. I think if she plays against female top 10 her rating will go down and demonstrate that is inflated.
At least Hou Yifan plays against both..

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ChessMD

2 years 2 months ago

I clearly said that the problem is ranking her with other females. HER rating cannot be used to compare it or rank her in the same list with other female players, unless all other 99 females also play only against men. Is simply Statistics. I don't want to go in details about how this work, because I don't want everybody to agree with me, but I want to clarify that you don't rank according to gender, if you do it, then all players ranked should have the same conditions, opponents, in her case to be ranked as top female she should also be tested playing against all other females. If for example the median for male GMs rating is 2600, and standard deviation is 70 points, then she is 1 standard deviation above male mean, which is different from the mean of GM or WGM females. Her opponents have been males for lets say uhmm... for the last 10 years or more.... So is correct to rank her in a list with opponents with rating that come from the same pool of players. But is scientifically wrong and biased to compare her rating with a pool of players that almost always play against females, and also she has never played against them. Is like saying that because viagra is good and will work for male and females without testing it in both. She is good, and maybe the best female player ever, but I don't agree ranking her as top female, she plays another league... and maybe her ranking is lower or even higher if compared with other females.

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ChessMD

2 years 2 months ago

"and maybe her ranking is lower or even higher if compared with other females."

I meant: her ranking is lower or even higher if her pool of opponents also include females.

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R

2 years 2 months ago

"Is simply Statistics. I don’t want to go in details about how this work, because I don’t want everybody to agree with me"

You literally just said "my argument is too persuasive, so I won't tell you what ti is." Nice.

Hou Yifan/Humpy Koneru probably scores, on average, 64% against a 2500-rated player (male or female), as their 2600 ratings would predict.

Polgar probably scores around 74% against a 2500-rated player (who, according to you, are all male since she doesn't play against women, which is mostly true), as her rating of 2686 would predict. Are you saying that if Polgar suddenly started playing 2500-rated females, her rating would drop because she wouldn't be able to sustain this 74% figure even though she probably can sustain it against 2500-rated males?

The issue with your argument is that you act as if no woman plays a man and vice versa, but this is simply not true. There is no isolated group of players who only play with each other. The women take part in open events once in a while, and even for the ones that don't do it as often, their opponents do.

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ChessMD

2 years 2 months ago

Read again, and again, and again what I said. Maybe you learn how to read and to understand. I said her rating might be lower or higher if she plays against female players. The point is that is not precise to rank rank her with other female players. Again the other players and herself play different pool of players (different league), and therefore different ranking.

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R

2 years 2 months ago

Yes, while we're at it, let's just set an arbitrary standard. If a female player does not play against x% female players, she should not be on the female list. Actually, let's make x = 100.

While we're at it, we should observe that many top 100 players have never actually met super-GMs such as Anand, Carlsen, Aronian, etc. over the board. Let's remove those three entirely, since they're in different league.

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ChessMD

2 years 2 months ago

If in any X list of players, the players number 1, 2 and 3 play against players 9,10,11, and these last three play against 20,21,22, and these last three again players 30,31,32, and so on... then players 1,2,3 can be assume to be playing all 100 players, and their rating is a very good approximate of the result of Player number 1 vs Player number 100. Contrary to this, Mrs. Polgar has never played not even against top 10 females, and her rating is made from the data obtain by games that involve only males, so why ranking or comparing it in the "female list". I am sure her rating would be different, although I cant say exactly if lower or higher if she playes against this pool of players. But since her rating is not too different from Yifan or Humpy, I thinkthat just playing these two will lower Polgar rating by getting too many draws and even losing one or two games.

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R

2 years 2 months ago

Also, you reneged quite a bit going from "I think if she plays against female top 10 her rating will go down and demonstrate that is inflated." to "I said her rating might be lower or higher if she plays against female players."

I'd also like to point out the latter statement is incredibly pointless. Well, I suppose you're claiming her rating will not stay exactly the same, which is generally true, since staying within 0.5 of a certain number is pretty hard.

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ChessMD

2 years 2 months ago

Yes playin just top 10 will lower her rating but playing from top 100 is difficult to predict, but is similar to Ivanchuk playin in Capablanca tournament, he gains rating points playing against many opponents that are almost one hundred points lower than him, however is a big risk if he is not in shape, and just losing one, or drawing make a big difference. So in summary, Polgar vs Yifan, Humpy, Konsitseva sisters and Latno. I think her rating might go dowan a little bit. Playing against others might increase her rating.

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ChessMD

2 years 2 months ago

Ah, and it would be interesting to know Polgar statistics playing against 2500-2600 female players.

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Guillaume

2 years 2 months ago

Once you would have removed Judit Polgar from the women list because she hardly plays against them, you would have to be consistent and apply the same drastic rule to other players and other lists:
- remove most of the players in the top 20 junior list, since they do not play in junior tournaments (exit Caruana, Giri, Le, So, etc.).
- same thing for the girl list (exit Hou, etc.).
- remove from the national lists the players that don't play enough games against their compatriots (exit Carlsen, Anand, Aronian, etc).
- while you're at it, remove all the women that have played at least one game against a male from the women list.

Oh, and before you come up with an arbitrary number of games to be played against a specific pool to earn the right to be included in the corresponding list, make sure you back it up because it sure is going to look pretty artificial.

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Thomas

2 years 2 months ago

Actually I wonder if Anand is really stronger than I am :) : We never played against each other, he didn't play anyone from my club and hardly anyone from the entire province of Noord-Holland - the only rated game I could rapidly find is a win against Reinderman, Corus 1999.

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ChessMD

2 years 2 months ago

You still don;t understand... Please read above my other comments.

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Thomas

2 years 2 months ago

I do understand your point (so does presumably Guillaume), "not agreeing" with you doesn't mean "not understanding"!

Let me try again, with less irony: A female runner can be demonstrably faster than any other woman, even if she ran her time in a field which didn't have other women. Chess performances cannot be quantified with a stopwatch, but the Elo system is best we have to assess relative strength of players.

Your argument would make sense if the pools of male and female players were completely isolated from each other, and Judit Polgar was the only woman playing male opponents. But this isn't the case: several top women participated in opens such as Gibraltar and Aeroflot where they faced male GMs who (faced someone who) faced Polgar. There are probably less intermediate links than between me and Anand ... .

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ChessMD

2 years 2 months ago

All the list except the "Female list" because of Polgar, have accurate rankings.

Top Junior and girls, they don't usually play against players of similar age, but they have done it in the past. They came from that group beating everyone.

Female players list is different I think. Because as I said, Polgar has not played against top 10 female players, in years... Actually I don;t remember the last time.
You cannot not just assume... Just by someone saying that "I wonder if Anand is really stronger than I am" because Anand has never played me, therefore maybe he should not be ranked 1st? is a stupid statement made by someone here.... I am criticizing why Polgar is included in that list and therefore criticizing her rating when compared against top females. Is like inactive players like Kasparov. He does not play anymore, so why putting him in the ranking list? He doesn't play against any of those players anymore. Well I think you should put Polgar in the top 100 players list but not in the list of female players, because usually these players dont play in male only tournaments. And again top junior and top girl are more accurate lists since all players included have played with someone that beat someone in that list.....

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ChessMD

2 years 2 months ago

This response is for Guillaume.

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Guillaume

2 years 2 months ago

Is it, really? Your posts are less and less clear, I'm afraid. Let me sum up the two main arguments against your idea, which we all understood to be that Polgar should be removed from the women ranking list because she doesn't actually play against women.

The point I was making is that you can't exclude Polgar from the women list without making it a general rule valid for every player. The rule would have to be of the form: "A player must play a minimum of M games against members of a list to be included in that list". The trouble is that M would be arbitrary, and that the bigger it would be the more it would mess up all the existing ranking lists. Setting it at M=1 just to exclude Polgar is no less arbitrary: you would be creating a rule valid for everyone in order to exclude a single case. It's called "ad hoc", not science.

The other point was stated very clearly by Thomas: "Your argument would make sense if the pools of male and female players were completely isolated from each other, and Judit Polgar was the only woman playing male opponents. But this isn’t the case: several top women participated in opens such as Gibraltar and Aeroflot where they faced male GMs who (faced someone who) faced Polgar."

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R

2 years 2 months ago

Polgar has, however, played male players who have played female players (or, if we add another degree of separation, she has played male players who have played male players who have played female players). It's not that there's no direct link between other female players and Polgar.

There was a case in the USCF where there was a prisoner who played only other inmates, and he obtained an inflated rating that was among the very top in the US. However, this is a case that corresponds to your argument: he played a strictly closed pool of players. There was no connection between the prisoner and say, Gata Kamsky (the top US player at the time) through any number of common opponents.

This is simply not true for Polgar. She hasn't faced a top 10 woman in a long time perhaps, but she has faced people who have. And comparatively, as her rating suggests, she did better against those common opponents than the top 10 women did.

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WGIFM

2 years 2 months ago

I do not remember her rejecting to play against female players ever. At any open tournament she can play against women.

She only rejects to play at tournament where male players cannot participate. Would there be any other female player invited to tournaments she participates at, she will play against them. That's it.
Would Hou or Koneru Humpy member of China's or India's A team, then she will have no problems playing against them.

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Vital_Points

2 years 2 months ago

But Judith has not officially changed her gender, therefore she needs to be listed on Females list.

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ChessMD

2 years 2 months ago

I am criticizing FIDE for making the list wrong.
See: http://ratings.fide.com/toplist.phtml

They made one top 100 players, another top 100 FEMALES, top Junior and again top GIRL.

Why they made a list of top 100 females, and not a list a top 100 males?
ans: because all but 1 of top 100 players are males...?
But this 1 woman, does she plays against the other pool of players? Maybe
I could be ranked as top male players, another possible "new" list, yes, my rating is over 2900 in chessclub. Oh no wait!, I play against another pool of players and my rating cant not be used to put it and compared with FIDE rating. OH!

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Septimus

2 years 2 months ago

Why should her rating go down if she wins against women?

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ChessMD

2 years 2 months ago

You don't need to beat her to lower her rating, just getting too many draws will do it.

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R

2 years 2 months ago

Your comment makes no sense. What do you mean "statistics rules"? The possible implication here would be that Polgar plays worse against much lower rated opponents (as virtually all other women are relative to her) than her rating would suggest.

First of all, this would be a difficult claim to substantiate. Second of all, why isolate her? Perhaps everyone beneath or above a certain rating should get off the women's list in that case, because they simply don't play enough opposition of a certain strength (either much higher or much lower). Actually, why not kick the 2800s off the main list - their ratings are inflated because they don't play enough sub-2700s, right?

Or is your real implication, to dodge these questions, that women play at different levels than men of the same rating?

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ChessMD

2 years 2 months ago

I didn't isolate her. She did it a few years ago, deciding not to play against females. So ask her why.

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Sander

2 years 2 months ago

I dont think J. Polgar has any problems playing females in a normal tournament (why would she, easy points), she just doesnt play women-only tournaments where she has nothing to win and everything to lose.

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john

2 years 2 months ago

Carlsen can't change the chess world from the no. 2 spot, oh no.

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David Korn, NY, NY ~ prev Seat...

2 years 2 months ago

And, not to be forgotten, the ever preternaturally talented and hard working Le, Quang Liem, from 79th to 44th. Imagine that! dk

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Estragon

2 years 2 months ago

Wow, watch out for Nyzhnyk - the kid is only 14 still, and is moving up like a rocket.

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Tom

2 years 2 months ago

Cue modelling contract.

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