Reports | October 16, 2012 10:04

Saint Petersburg wins top clash in European Club Cup's 5th round

The 5th round in progress in Eilat

The big clash in the 5th round of the European Club Cup was won by the Saint-Petersburg Chess Federation. The team led by Peter Svidler defeated Tomsk-400 convincingly with a score of 4-2 and is now two match points ahead of a group of five teams: Economist-SGSEU Saratov, Ashdod, Ugra, Socar and Tomsk-400. The Monaco Chess Club is still leading the women's section but they still have to face Ugra, who are one point behind.

The 5th round in progress in Eilat | Photo © Anastasia Karlovich

Event 28th European Club Cup for Men & 17th European Club Cup for Women | Chess-Results
Dates October 11th-17th, 2012
Location Eilat, Israel
System 6-player round robin
Players Top players include Radjabov, Nakamura, Ivanchuk, Morozevich, Kamsky, Grischuk, Topalov, Mamedyarov, Wang Hao, Svidler, Gelfand, Ponomariov, Dominguez, Leko, Wojtaszek, Jakovenko, Giri, Volokitin, Navara, Adams
Rate of play

90 minutes for 40 moves plus 30 minutes for the rest of the game with an increment of 30 seconds per move, starting from move one.

Extra Players are not allowed to offer a draw before move 40. The zero tolerance rule for arriving at the board is in effect

 

Now that the European Club Cup is getting closer to its end, the results are becoming even more significant. In the open section, St Petersburg took a big step towards the gold medals with their 4-2 victory over Tomsk-400. Four games were drawn, while Peter Svidler and Nikita Vitiugov won their games. Svidler showed sharp tactical vision:

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Peter Svidler and Leinier Dominguez, top boards for Saint Petersburg

Vitiugov nicely outplayed his opponent from what seemed to be a passive position.

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After their first round loss againt Ashdod, top seed Socar is now back in shared second place. On Monday they beat the Czechs from Novy Bor. Similarly, after a first round loss Veselin Topalov won his next three games.

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Socar's board 3 Veselin Topalov watches as board 4 Alexander Grischuk makes a move

Gata Kamsky is the big star of the team and in fact of the tournament, scoring 5/5 (like Fatmir Haskaj of Chess Club Expik, by the way). The American grandmaster had already passed Hikaru Nakamura on the live rating list to become the US #1 again, and at the moment he's 9th in the world! His game in round 5 was highly creative.

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Five wins for Gata Kamsky | Photo © Vladimír Jagr

The Basque team Gros Xake Taldea was beaten 1.5-4.5 by Economist-SGSEU Saratov. Alexander Morozevich played a nice, positional game in which White's bishop on d6 was never more than a mere spectator.

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A draw between Loek van Wely (Gros Xake Taldea) and Ian Nepomniachtchi (Economist-SGSEU Saratov)

Ashdod's Vassily Ivanchuk beat Hapoel Kfar Saba's IM Danny Raznikov in a funny way. He reached the following ending and decided to checkmate the king in the "wrong" corner, which is possible because of the black h-pawn!

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Ashdod won 4-2 but there were two upsets in this match. Avital Boruchovsky beat Pavel Eljanov, and it was simply a superb game by the Israeli IM.

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On board 6 the untitled Alon Mindlin (2237) won an excellent game as well, against Artur Kogan:

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An extraordinary incident occurred in the game Boris Alterman - Peter Leko, which turned out to be decisive for the match Rishon Le-Zion vs SHSM-64. At some point Leko offered a draw but his opponent made a move which happened to be a mistake. When the Israeli GM realized he had blundered an exchange, he tried to accept the proposed draw but Leko preferred to continue playing and eventually converted his advantage to a full point.

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Peter Leko: "Well, let's play a few more moves"

In the women's section Monte-Carlo confidently won against Chigorin Club to keep the lead in the tournament. Anastasia Bodnaruk drew her game against Hou Yifan but the other Chigorin members could not withstand the pressure. Ugra defeated Rishon Le-Zion with a 3.5-0.5 score and are placed second, only one point behind the leaders.

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Nir Slav paintings

In the playing hall posters are put up on the walls which show paintings of Israeli painter Nir Slav, the son of the Chairman of the Israeli Chess Federation, Moshe Slav. We received the following info about Nir Slav:

Nir was born in 1979 in Afula to a loving family, but medical negligence left him with cerebral palsy and deafness. Despite his disabilities, he was exposed to the world of art at the age of 15. He has worked with different artists, who have provided him with a window to a magical and wonderful world. Since then, art has become a means for Nir to communicate with his surroundings, and through it he can fit into society and say "I am able". In his apprenticeship as a painter; he passed through several stages, all outside the customary institutions, in personal work with various artists, including the late painter Avraham Farhi and sculptor Zvi Lahman. Over the past three years, he has been working under the professional tutelage of painter David Boskovich, who is also Nir's partner and companion.

As an artist, Slav battles simultaneously against severe physical disabilities that affect his eye-hand coordination, eye-canvas connection and perception of perspective, as well as against barriers that his disabilities pose to his daily contact with the world. In each work of art he faces anew a technical and mental task of vast dimensions. His point of departure is always the concrete, and from there he moves to the symbolic. His work begins with "disgorging on the canvas", making a spontaneous and unbridled sketch. Afterwards, he begins to build the painting, as it emerges from the sketch until the idea or image reaches a refined state. Some of his materials are conventional: Oil paints, acrylic and charcoal. Others are gathered in the field- wooden boards, newspaper clippings, printed photographs from the internet, boxes and tin. The topics that occupy him emanate from his inner world and personal experiences, fused with guidance and conversation with people around him.

His previous body of work includes mainly landscapes and still life paintings, whereas in the present offering he has chosen to deal with figures and scenes.

The line and the color are the soul,

answered Slav when asked about their place in his work. These relations are composed of an ongoing dialogue between line and color, assimilation of varied materials and the formulation of the image and its intensity.

When I paint I feel the power of my gift and through my painting I give birth to nature. I have a problem with my hands and this limits me in what I am able to paint but when I paint I feel myself growing and I'm okay…

European Club Cup 2012 | Open | Results round 5

Bo. 4 Saint-Petersburg Chess Federation Rtg - 7 Tomsk-400 Rtg 4 : 2
1/1 GM Svidler, Peter 2747 - GM Ponomariov, Ruslan 2735 1 - 0
1/2 GM Dominguez Perez, Leinier 2734 - GM Areshchenko, Alexander 2710 ½ - ½
1/3 GM Vitiugov, Nikita 2691 - GM Bologan, Viktor 2695 1 - 0
1/4 GM Movsesian, Sergei 2699 - GM Kurnosov, Igor 2660 ½ - ½
1/5 GM Efimenko, Zahar 2689 - GM Motylev, Alexander 2655 ½ - ½
1/6 GM Zvjaginsev, Vadim 2678 - GM Khismatullin, Denis 2638 ½ - ½
Bo. 1 SOCAR Azerbaijan Rtg - 8 G-Team Novy Bor Rtg 3½:2½
2/1 GM Radjabov, Teimour 2792 - GM Wojtaszek, Radoslaw 2733 ½ - ½
2/2 GM Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar 2748 - GM Navara, David 2722 ½ - ½
2/3 GM Topalov, Veselin 2751 - GM Laznicka, Viktor 2678 1 - 0
2/4 GM Grischuk, Alexander 2752 - GM Sasikiran, Krishnan 2680 ½ - ½
2/5 GM Kamsky, Gata 2755 - GM Bartel, Mateusz 2635 1 - 0
2/6 GM Sutovsky, Emil 2685 - GM Hracek, Zbynek 2612 0 - 1
Bo. 12 Gros Xake Taldea Rtg - 3 Economist-SGSEU Saratov Rtg 1½:4½
3/1 GM Van Wely, Loek 2688 - GM Nepomniachtchi, Ian 2704 ½ - ½
3/2 GM Bauer, Christian 2664 - GM Alekseev, Evgeny 2683 ½ - ½
3/3 GM Landa, Konstantin 2641 - GM Morozevich, Alexander 2758 0 - 1
3/4 IM Franco Alonso, Alejandro 2479 - GM Tomashevsky, Evgeny 2720 0 - 1
3/5 IM Gonzalez De La Torre, Santiago 2442 - GM Moiseenko, Alexander 2700 0 - 1
3/6 IM Argandona Riveiro, Inigo 2402 - GM Lysyj, Igor 2628 ½ - ½
Bo. 9 Ashdod Rtg - 19 Hapoel Kfar Saba Rtg 4 : 2
4/1 GM Ivanchuk, Vassily 2771 - IM Raznikov, Danny 2465 1 - 0
4/2 GM Eljanov, Pavel 2681 - IM Boruchovsky, Avital 2435 0 - 1
4/3 GM Smirin, Ilia 2638 - FM Givon, Asaf 2405 1 - 0
4/4 GM Romanov, Evgeny 2611 -   Galburd, Yan 2331 1 - 0
4/5 GM Avrukh, Boris 2585 -   Ben Artzi, Ido 2286 1 - 0
4/6 GM Kogan, Artur 2583 -   Mindlin, Alon 2237 0 - 1
Bo. 6 OSG Baden-Baden e.V. Rtg - 5 Ugra Rtg 2½:3½
5/1 GM Adams, Michael 2720 - GM Jakovenko, Dmitry 2732 ½ - ½
5/2 GM Naiditsch, Arkadij 2704 - GM Shirov, Alexei 2718 1 - 0
5/3 GM Kasimdzhanov, Rustam 2690 - GM Malakhov, Vladimir 2713 ½ - ½
5/4 GM Nielsen, Peter Heine 2662 - GM Korobov, Anton 2705 0 - 1
5/5 GM Nisipeanu, Liviu-Dieter 2661 - GM Rublevsky, Sergei 2693 ½ - ½
5/6 GM Gustafsson, Jan 2622 - GM Dreev, Aleksey 2677 0 - 1
Bo. 13 Rishon Le-Zion Rtg - 2 SHSM-64 Rtg 2½:3½
6/1 GM Alterman, Boris 2584 - GM Leko, Peter 2734 0 - 1
6/2 IM Popilski, Gil 2475 - GM Giri, Anish 2730 ½ - ½
6/3 GM Baron, Tal 2454 - GM Riazantsev, Alexander 2712 1 - 0
6/4 IM Caspi, Israel 2451 - GM Grachev, Boris 2672 ½ - ½
6/5 IM Kaspi, Alexander 2435 - GM Najer, Evgeniy 2664 ½ - ½
6/6 IM Klenburg, Mikhail 2366 - GM Potkin, Vladimir 2663 0 - 1
Bo. 14 Siroki Brijeg Rtg - 22 Gambit Aseko-See Rtg 3 : 3
7/1 GM Palac, Mladen 2600 - IM Arnaudov, G. Petar 2471 ½ - ½
7/2 GM Brkic, Ante 2575 - IM Mitkov, Marjan 2331 1 - 0
7/3 GM Kurajica, Bojan 2558 - IM Dancevski, Orce 2389 0 - 1
7/4 GM Dizdarevic, Emir 2491 - FM Stojcevski, Zoran 2325 1 - 0
7/5 IM Bogut, Zeljko 2441 - FM Andonovski, Ljubisa 2274 ½ - ½
7/6 WFM Dimitrijevic, Aleksandra 2270 - FM Dinev, Dejan 2348 0 - 1
Bo. 27 Amay Rtg - 15 Schachgesellschaft Zürich Rtg 2½:3½
8/1 IM Burg, Twan 2502 - GM Timofeev, Artyom 2631 ½ - ½
8/2 IM Tan, Matthew 2425 - GM Pelletier, Yannick 2601 ½ - ½
8/3 FM Broekmeulen, Jasper 2410 - GM Brunner, Lucas 2448 ½ - ½
8/4   Memeti, Kastriot 2189 - GM Vogt, Lothar 2397 0 - 1
8/5   Noiroux, Kevin 2176 - FM Goldstern, Filip 2334 1 - 0
8/6   Block, Wolfgang 2101 - FM Friedrich, Norbert 2302 0 - 1
Bo. 16 Eynatten Rtg - 30 White Rose Rtg 4 : 2
9/1 IM Bok, Benjamin 2530 - IM Palliser, Richard J D 2458 0 - 1
9/2 IM Dambacher, Martijn 2471 - FM Van De Griendt, Jan Willem 2318 1 - 0
9/3 GM Swinkels, Robin 2494 -   Townsend, M Paul 2240 1 - 0
9/4 IM Koch, Thomas 2431 -   Barrett, Stephen J 2225 1 - 0
9/5 FM Kaufeld, Juergen 2326 -   Gayson, Peter M 2207 1 - 0
9/6   Loo, Bernd 1915 -   O'driscoll, Kieran 2113 0 - 1
Bo. 21 Perfect Rtg - 17 Vesnianka Gran Rtg 0 : 6
10/1 GM Svetushkin, Dmitry 2597 - GM Zhigalko, Andrey 2582 0 - 1
10/2 IM Korsunsky, Yuri 2419 - GM Teterev, Vitaly 2529 0 - 1
10/3   Kurochkin, Victor 2423 - IM Kovalev, Vladislav 2473 0 - 1
10/4   Slavin, Gennadie 2300 - IM Gorovets, Andrey 2459 0 - 1
10/5 IM Alekseev, Andrey 2340 - IM Mochalov, Evgeny V 2403 0 - 1
10/6   Pleshkov, Mikhail 0 -   Oblamski, Vladimir 2114 0 - 1
Bo. 26 Tammer-Shakki Rtg - 18 Team Viking Rtg 0 : 6
11/1 IM Karttunen, Mika 2445 - GM Agrest, Evgenij 2614 0 - 1
11/2   Koykka, Pekka 2242 - GM Volodin, Aleksandr 2509 0 - 1
11/3 FM Kytoniemi, Jyrki 2283 - FM Lindberg 1984, Bo 2403 0 - 1
11/4   Natri, Antero 2219 - IM Cramling, Dan 2360 0 - 1
11/5   Lehtioksa, Jorma 2179 - FM Sagit, Rauan 2356 0 - 1
11/6   Kaatiala, Pekka 1946 -   Pettersson, Anders 1991 2274 0 - 1
Bo. 10 Beer Sheba Rtg - 28 Ladia Minsk Rtg 4 : 2
12/1 GM Roiz, Michael 2618 - FM Meribanov, Vitaly 2407 ½ - ½
12/2 GM Rodshtein, Maxim 2616 - FM Bulanov, Dmitri 2376 ½ - ½
12/3 GM Huzman, Alexander 2591 -   Kocheev, Aleksandr 2324 0 - 1
12/4 GM Nabaty, Tamir 2586 -   Harshkou, Mikita 2233 1 - 0
12/5 GM Postny, Evgeny 2647 -   Terzi, Alexei 2115 1 - 0
12/6 GM Greenfeld, Alon 2559 -   Sheremet, Anton 2095 1 - 0
Bo. 23 Club d'Echecs Genève Rtg - 20 Petach Tikva Rtg 2½:3½
13/1 GM Edouard, Romain 2664 - GM Gofshtein, Leonid 2480 1 - 0
13/2 IM Vuilleumier, Alexandre 2326 - IM Nakar, Eylon 2397 0 - 1
13/3 IM Gerber, Richard 2421 -   Steinberg, Nitzan 2370 ½ - ½
13/4   Duport, Nicolas 2199 - IM Bar, Roman 2468 0 - 1
13/5 FM Preissmann, Emmanuel 2222 -   Botvinnik, Mikhail 2340 ½ - ½
13/6   Kovacevic, Vladimir 2210 - FM Chernomordik, Pavel 2274 ½ - ½
Bo. 11 Obiettive Risarcimento Rtg - 25 Oslo Schakselskap Rtg 4½:1½
14/1 GM Nakamura, Hikaru 2786 - IM Moen, Andreas 2377 1 - 0
14/2 GM Georgiev, Kiril 2668 - FM Stubberud, Ornulf 2309 ½ - ½
14/3 GM Godena, Michele 2526 - WGM Dolzhikova, Olga 2286 ½ - ½
14/4 IM Collutiis, Duilio 2501 -   Persson, Mats 2234 1 - 0
14/5 GM Efimov, Igor 2420 -   Hauge, Lars Oskar 2174 ½ - ½
14/6 IM Valsecchi, Alessio 2415 -   Mihajlov, Sebastian 2043 1 - 0
Bo. 29 Jutes of Kent Rtg - 34 Shakkivelhot Rtg 5 : 1
15/1 GM Williams, Simon K 2496 - IM Sammalvuo, Tapani 2466 1 - 0
15/2 GM Galego, Luis 2485 - IM Nyysti, Sampsa 2343 1 - 0
15/3   Stebbings, Anthony J 2256 -   Kosmo, Santul 2212 ½ - ½
15/4   Harakis, Alexis M 2229 -   Verkasalo, Tommi 2185 1 - 0
15/5   Naylor, John 2144 -   Papula, Niko 0 1 - 0
15/6   Donovan, Nigel P 2029 -   Toikka, Tommi 0 ½ - ½
Bo. 32 C.E. de Monte Carlo Rtg - 24 De Stukkenjagers Rtg 0 : 6
16/1   Villegas, Pierre 2202 - IM Sprenger, Jan Michael Dr. 2491 0 - 1
16/2 FM Van Hoolandt, Patrick 2191 -   Haast, Mark 2287 0 - 1
16/3   Ribbegren, Karl Johan 2101 -   Nabuurs, Mart 2250 0 - 1
16/4   Farleigh, Richard 2184 - WGM Muhren, Bianca 2307 0 - 1
16/5   Iclicki, Willy 2044 - WIM Haast, Anne 2232 0 - 1
16/6   Rapaire, Jean-Michel 1899 -   Van Dongen, Cor 2357 0 - 1
Bo. 31 Soss Rtg - 33 Chess Club Expik Rtg 2½:3½
17/1 IM Leer-Salvesen, Bjarte 2370 - FM Fejzullah, Afrim 2318 1 - 0
17/2 FM Byklum, Bjornar 2298 -   Budima, Armend 2206 ½ - ½
17/3   Harestad, Hans Krogh 2265 -   Ajvazi, Ramadan 2164 ½ - ½
17/4   Stenersen, Gudmund 2226 -   Zymberi, Astrit 2161 ½ - ½
17/5   Andreassen, Pal 2133 -   Haskaj, Fatmir 0 0 - 1
17/6   Sodtholt, Dag 1954 -   Bislimi, Mentor 0 0 - 1

European Club Cup 2012 | Women | Results round 5

Bo. 3 Mika Rtg - 8 SHSM-Nashe Nasledie Rtg 3 : 1
1/1 GM Danielian, Elina 2476 - GM Kosteniuk, Alexandra 2490 ½ - ½
1/2 GM Harika, Dronavalli 2512 - IM Gunina, Valentina 2514 1 - 0
1/3 IM Mkrtchian, Lilit 2456 - IM Kovalevskaya, Ekaterina 2405 ½ - ½
1/4 IM Javakhishvili, Lela 2444 - WGM Kashlinskaya, Alina 2368 1 - 0
Bo. 4 Ashdod Rtg - 2 AVS Rtg ½ :3½
2/1 IM Klinova, Masha 2324 - GM Stefanova, Antoaneta 2493 ½ - ½
2/2 IM Borsuk, Angela 2260 - GM Lahno, Kateryna 2551 0 - 1
2/3 WIM Vasiliev, Olga 2240 - WGM Pogonina, Natalija 2476 0 - 1
2/4 WFM Dotan, Valeria 2064 - IM Muzychuk, Mariya 2474 0 - 1
Bo. 5 Chigorin Club Rtg - 1 Cercle d'Echecs de Monte-Carlo Rtg ½ :3½
3/1 IM Bodnaruk, Anastasia 2425 - GM Hou, Yifan 2605 ½ - ½
3/2 WIM Bronnikova, Elizaveta 2244 - GM Koneru, Humpy 2607 0 - 1
3/3 WIM Ivkina, Olga 2266 - GM Cramling, Pia 2514 0 - 1
3/4   Ivanova-Skripova, Tatiana 2173 - IM Skripchenko, Almira 2437 0 - 1
Bo. 6 Rishon Le-Zion Rtg - 7 Ugra Rtg ½ :3½
4/1 WIM Efroimski, Marsel 2162 - WGM Kovanova, Baira 2408 0 - 1
4/2   Reprun, Nadejda 2143 - WGM Girya, Olga 2454 ½ - ½
4/3   Vardi, Shlomit 2010 - WGM Shadrina, Tatiana 2361 0 - 1
4/4   Federovski, Adi 1829 - WIM Bezgodova, Maria 2177 0 - 1

European Club Cup 2012 | Open | Round 5 standings

Rk. SNo Team Games + = - TB1 TB2 TB3
1 4 Saint-Petersburg Chess Federation 5 5 0 0 10 372,5 23
2 3 Economist-SGSEU Saratov 5 4 0 1 8 340 19,5
3 9 Ashdod 5 4 0 1 8 329 17,5
4 5 Ugra 5 4 0 1 8 314,3 19
5 1 SOCAR Azerbaijan 5 4 0 1 8 311,3 23,5
6 7 Tomsk-400 5 4 0 1 8 295,8 22,5
7 2 SHSM-64 5 3 1 1 7 286,8 18,5
8 8 G-Team Novy Bor 5 3 0 2 6 297,5 18
9 17 Vesnianka Gran 5 3 0 2 6 271,5 18,5
10 12 Gros Xake Taldea 5 3 0 2 6 248,5 15
11 10 Beer Sheba 5 3 0 2 6 242,8 17
12 18 Team Viking 5 3 0 2 6 236,5 17
13 16 Eynatten 5 3 0 2 6 218,8 17,5
14 19 Hapoel Kfar Saba 5 3 0 2 6 214,3 16,5
15 15 Schachgesellschaft Zürich 5 3 0 2 6 163,5 12,5
16 6 OSG Baden-Baden e.V. 5 2 1 2 5 280,5 18
17 14 Siroki Brijeg 5 2 1 2 5 200,5 14,5
18 22 Gambit Aseko-See 5 2 1 2 5 160,5 11
19 20 Petach Tikva 5 2 0 3 4 179,3 13
20 30 White Rose 5 2 0 3 4 172,3 14,5
21 11 Obiettive Risarcimento 5 2 0 3 4 167,8 16
22 24 De Stukkenjagers 5 2 0 3 4 167,5 16,5
23 27 Amay 5 2 0 3 4 162,8 14
24 13 Rishon Le-Zion 5 2 0 3 4 159,8 12,5
25 29 Jutes of Kent 5 2 0 3 4 151,8 13
26 26 Tammer-Shakki 5 2 0 3 4 126 8,5
27 21 Perfect 5 2 0 3 4 119,3 11,5
28 23 Club d'Echecs Genève 5 1 1 3 3 175 13,5
29 28 Ladia Minsk 5 1 1 3 3 141,3 12
30 33 Chess Club Expik 5 1 1 3 3 124,8 13
31 34 Shakkivelhot 5 1 0 4 2 119 8
32 25 Oslo Schakselskap 5 1 0 4 2 111,5 11,5
33 32 C.E. de Monte Carlo 5 0 1 4 1 68,5 5,5
34 31 Soss 5 0 0 5 0 114 8

European Club Cup 2012 | Women | Round 5 standings

Rk. Team 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 TB1 TB2 TB3
1 Cercle d'Echecs de Monte-Carlo *   4   10 140,5 15
2 Ugra   * 2   9 105 13
3 Mika *   3   3 6 109 11,5
4 Ashdod 0 2   *   ½ 3 5 64,3 8
5 SHSM-Nashe Nasledie   1   * 2 2 4 85 10
6 AVS 2 *     3 107,3 10
7 Chigorin Club ½   2   * 3 3 71 8,5
8 Rishon Le-Zion   ½ 1 1 ½   1 * 0 39,5 4

Source: Chess-Results

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redivivo's picture

Some nice games today:

Svidler-Radjabov
Mamedyarov-Dominguez
Vitiugov-Topalov
Grischuk-Movsesian
Andreikin-Ivanchuk
Jakovenko-Ponomariov

Williams has the chance to improve on his highest rated scalp ever by going 50 points higher against Nakamura, also that with black. Kamsky can make it 6/6 against Efimenko. My guess is that both will fail though.

Thomas's picture

"improve on his highest rated scalp ever by going 50 points higher against Nakamura"
That's indeed the situation on the official rating list (Nakamura 2786, Gelfand 2736). But the gap on the live rating list is just 10 points (2757.0 vs. 2747.8); it would be negligible if Gelfand hadn't played against Williams (the loss cost him 8 rating points).
This just shows how fragile and relative ratings can be ... .

redivivo's picture

"the gap on the live rating list is just 10 points (2757.0 vs. 2747.8); it would be negligible if Gelfand hadn't played against Williams"

At the same time Nakamura dropped 30 points in just three weeks while Gelfand is at the top of his rating range. Nakamura has been 2770+ in nine of the last twelve lists so his "normal" level is probably a bit higher than his current live rating.

Thomas's picture

Equally true: Nakamura was 2775 or lower in eight of the last twelve lists ... :). 2786 was the absolute top of his rating range at least for the time being.

So such number-crunching can prove anything and the opposite thereof. One interpretation is that Nakamura is far better than Gelfand, but that's just one interpretation.

redivivo's picture

Speaking of ratings, Kamsky has really made a jump on the list lately. As recently as in 2010 he was 2693, but if he wins today he will be an inch from 2770.

RG13's picture

I don't think Kamsky's 2010 rating means much since he was out of chess for a long time and had to suffer ups and downs while he established his new standard. I think his highest ever was # 3 in the world and of course he played for the world championship. What old guys like him do put to rest is the notion that younger players are somehow playing at a higher level (than yesteryear) because they grew up with computers.

Thomas's picture

Kamsky's comeback was in January 2005. Then he lost precious rating points (readaptation to professional chess!?), then he climbed to Elo 2729 in October 2008 (good enough for world #16 at the time). Then he dropped to another minimum in January 2010 - five years after his comeback, how/why did he lose the "new standard" he already had achieved?

I do not understand why some people seem to think that for some players (Nakamura, Kamsky) their peak rating reflects their true strength, while for others (Gelfand) it's rather a fluke. Gelfand recently gained Elo in pretty strong events (WCh match - even if the opponent may be past his prime - and London Grand Prix). Kamsky did the same mostly against sub-2700 opposition, with the sole exception of Grischuk at the Olympiad. He plays board 5 at the European Club Cup and is this time very efficient against weaker opponents, is this enough to make him a 'genuine' top10 player?

He will need supertournament invitations to confirm (or not) his new old status. By now it is extra odd or sad that he narrowly missed a rating spot for the GP series, that's life ... .

RG13's picture

Your points are well taken and while it is doubtful that he can ever return to the contender status he had as a youth I do think it is exceptional that an older player can come back to 2700 + chess after such a long absence. I sometimes wonder what it would have been like if Fischer had kept playing after his '92 Spaasky match.

Anonymous's picture

I bet Nakamura is doing well at the casino. He wrote that gambling through poker was a great way to relieve stress after a loss.

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