[lang_nl]Shulman & Zatonskih kampioenen VS[/lang_nl][lang_en]Shulman & Zatonskih new US Champs[/lang_en]

13 Responses to “[lang_nl]Shulman & Zatonskih kampioenen VS[/lang_nl][lang_en]Shulman & Zatonskih new US Champs[/lang_en]”

1. damian nash on May 22nd, 2008 23:50
   

   It’s worth mentioning that the Armageddon game between Krush and Zatonskih was decided by Krush’s flag falling while Zatonskih had one second remaining on her clock. No closer finish is possible! That also explains the very sloppy ending of the fifth game, such as 31. Qf3?? (Qxe7 wins easily).
2. sx on May 23rd, 2008 00:25
   

   Completely inunderstandable that the players can mismanage the time so much! With that less time left it doesn’t at all matter how the position on the board is. Starting from move 30 or even earlier the best moves are only the quickest ones, maybe something like Qxh7+.
3. Michel on May 23rd, 2008 19:26
   

   Running away from the board when you lost tightly is a bit childish…Irinia Krush is an experienced player, that lacks a bit of style… I do understand her frustration of course, it’s an important titel for her, but I think it doesn’t look good/fair game just to run away without congratulating your opponent…she could have shook hands and then left the room right away, but like that?

   Don’t want to start the handshake topic again and I suppose she was overwhelmed and came back later to congratulate, I just found this scene a bit strange, that was the behaviour of an amateur player, not of a pro…
4. Juan on May 23rd, 2008 22:11
   

   A better video where you can see how Irina throws his king with a slap at the end.

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNQjXHjRkNQ
5. Theo on May 23rd, 2008 23:21
   

   A little bit of an unsports(wo)man like way how Irina walks away from the board…
   
6. kk on May 24th, 2008 00:29
   

   well zatonskih was blatently cheating. she had moved the piece way before krush had pressed her clock
7. Michel on May 24th, 2008 03:58
   

   @ kk

   Well, I it’s to fast on the video for me to recognize, but I suppose you see it better than me. Nevertheless, I find it funny to call it “blatently cheating”. Yeah, right, in about 0.3 seconds Zatonshkih was thinking “Oh, I could move my piece before Irina presses the clock! Great, let’s cheat!”. Actually, I think that was all a strategy worked out before…
   Excuse me my irony, but it is impossible to “blatantly cheat” when the game gets that fast, I don’t think it is possible to think at all. So if Zatonskih moved he piece before Irina Krush did it is of course against the rules (so obviously I am not doubting the very essence of what you are saying), but “blatantly cheating”? Come on.

   Besides, if there was something gone wrong, Irina Krush should have just complained. There is a video, so things can be proved.

   But actually I don’t care: No matter if Zatonskih moved her piece to early, to throw away your queen and running away from the board without congratulating your opponent is about the niveau of a elementary school kid (and if I would have kids I hope they’d have better manners than that). So no matter if Zatonskih moved her piece 0.2 seconds before Irina Krush did, Krush’s behaviour is just sh*t- seeing that I feel an immoral happiness inside of me that she didn’t win
   If she felt something was against the rules, she could speak out. But this?
   Ridiculous behaviour.
8. Michel on May 24th, 2008 04:07
   

   Although I might add that Armageddon is a stupid way to decide a championship that big, so I can a bit understand Irina’s anger. She should have controlled herself, but the system is quite irritating.
9. pete on May 24th, 2008 21:10
   

   that was funny to watch, Irina was really overwhelmed and could not control her emotions. But I agree with the others, it was rude.
10. chesstraveler on May 25th, 2008 18:48
    

    Yes, it does look as if Krush needs to work on character development. Her reaction to the loss reminded me of an adolescent response and was far from professional. She certainly is experienced enough not to do the “Garry thing” after losing. Although it did give me a clearer perspective into her nature, as opposed to the always demure and smiling face that we see of her in various pictures.
11. kk on May 26th, 2008 10:26
    

    @ Michel

    I’m not for a minute justifying the way Krush behaved, but yes I do think you can be aware you are cheating at blitz. I’ve played loads of blitz, and am well aware of how to play fair, and how to bend the rules. All I’m saying is it is Zatonskih is very annoying as she brags about moving peces close to the clock as the reason she won, but the real reason is that she moved them well before Krush pressed her clock. One time Krush could not even press it down!!
12. pk on May 26th, 2008 11:03
    

    Irrelevant to this case, but about the rules:
    Geurt Gijssen has suggested in his Chesscafe column (”An Arbiter’s Notebook”) that it is perfectly ok to move before the opponent has pressed the clock, as long as you still let him/her press the clock.
13. Bert de Bruut on May 26th, 2008 11:03
    

    How unprofessional of the organisers to have the winner decided in an Armaggedon game, without providing for a sensory board to relay the moves made real time to the clock, as to auto-exact punishment of, say, 1 second bonus time for the opponent for every move executed within the opponent’s “thinking” time. A disgrace!

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