Tata Steel R7: Carlsen joins Aronian in the lead once again

Once again Magnus Carlsen joined Levon Aronian in the lead at the Tata Steel tournament in Wijk aan Zee, The Netherlands. In the 7th round, Carlsen beat Boris Gelfand with the white pieces while Aronian drew his game with Black against Vassily Ivanchuk. Still without playing a single draw, Sergey Karjakin defeated Veselin Topalov and likewise Gata Kamsky bounced back from a loss against David Navara.
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On the second Saturday, the word ramptoerisme ('disaster tourism') was buzzing through the playing hall of the Tata Steel chess tournament. Many amateurs and spectators were having trouble reaching the venue in time, because of traffic jams on the highway to Beverwijk/Wijk aan Zee. The reason was a cargo ship that had run aground, in fact already on Friday morning, about two hundred meters offshore, nearby the Wijk aan Zee beach. On Saturday the ship was released - an operation that was watched by hundreds if not thousands of 'disaster tourists' from the rainy and windy beach.
Tournament leader Levon Aronian drew his game in the 7th round, but this could hardly be called a disaster, with Black against Vassily Ivanchuk. Aronian said about the game:
Vassily has a very good feel for these positions and although it's considered to be a draw, I think he had this cunning plan to play this in order to get me to lose my concentration and to beat me like that. But I think I stayed calm, and I was analyzing during his time, so I avoided the trouble.

Aronian's girlfriend Arianne Caoili is again playing in the 9-round amateur event
And so for the second time, Magnus Carlsen had a chance to rejoin Aronian in the lead. The Norwegian did so, won the daily prize (for his “fine display of his skill of exploiting microscopic advantages" - Ivan Sokolov) and explained afterwards:
It was just that (...) he exchanged queens one move too late. If he had simply played 30…Qc2 instead of 30…Nd7, there would have been no question of me having an advantage. When he came up with the exchange one move later, I won a pawn, and it became very difficult for him to fight his way back into the game.

Magnus Carlsen defeated Boris Gelfand and caught Levon Aronian again
Gata Kamsky beat David Navara from the white side of a Berlin Endgame. The American said that at first Black was fine, out of the opening.
In the opening it was very slightly better for White, very close to equality. The way he played he had no counterplay at all.
In one of the 'en passant' videos, Kamsky complimented the two opponents who had beaten him so far: Aronian and Giri.
Overall I was OK with my game except for the games I lost. The game that I lost to Levon, it was a fantastic game, because the only chance I could see for myself was at one point, Nb3 on the 40th or 50th move. You know, obviously when your only move is on the 50th move, the opponent is doing something really right! Yesterday, against Giri, I blundered in one move and then he just run me down like a professional!

Gata Kamsky
Sergey Karjakin hasn't drawn a single game yet. On Saturday the Moscovite won against Veselin Topalov, using the Grand Prix Attack. Topalov came up with an exchange sacrifice that was as typical for this variation as it was for the Bulgarian. As he won two more pawns on the queenside, Black seemed to be doing fine but eventually, when the ending was reached, White was "just" an exchange up.
In the B group, Harikrishna maintained his one-point lead over Alexander Motylev as both players drew their games with Black. Ilya Nyzhnyk crushed Daniele Vocaturo in a Benoni and was awarded the daily prize. Sipke Ernst won another excellent game, with Black against Sergei Tiviakov, while Jan Timman blundered terribly.
In the C group Hans Tikkanen is now just half a point behind Maxim Turov. The tournament leader was very realistic about his good start:
It's a result of the pairings. I didn't meet my main opponents yet.
I expect a very difficult game.
The strongest groups in the 9-round amateur event which started on Friday. The two winners will qualify for 'C' in 2013
Daily video by the organizers
Games group A, round 7
Tata Steel 2012 | Grandmaster Group A | Pairings
| Round 1 | 14.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 2 | 15.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Navara | ½-½ | Topalov | Topalov | ½-½ | Van Wely | |
| Gelfand | 0-1 | Giri | Gashimov | ½-½ | Kamsky | |
| Radjabov | ½-½ | Caruana | Ivanchuk | ½-½ | Carlsen | |
| Karjakin | 0-1 | Aronian | Aronian | 1-0 | Nakamura | |
| Nakamura | ½-½ | Ivanchuk | Caruana | 1-0 | Karjakin | |
| Carlsen | 1-0 | Gashimov | Giri | ½-½ | Radjabov | |
| Kamsky | ½-½ | Van Wely | Navara | ½-½ | Gelfand | |
| Round 3 | 16.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 4 | 17.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Gelfand | ½-½ | Topalov | Topalov | ½-½ | Gashimov | |
| Radjabov | 1-0 | Navara | Ivanchuk | ½-½ | Van Wely | |
| Karjakin | 1-0 | Giri | Aronian | 1-0 | Kamsky | |
| Nakamura | ½-½ | Caruana | Caruana | ½-½ | Carlsen | |
| Carlsen | 1-0 | Aronian | Giri | ½-½ | Nakamura | |
| Kamsky | ½-½ | Ivanchuk | Navara | 0-1 | Karjakin | |
| Van Wely | ½-½ | Gashimov | Gelfand | ½-½ | Radjabov | |
| Round 5 | 19.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 6 | 20.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Radjabov | ½-½ | Topalov | Topalov | ½-½ | Ivanchuk | |
| Karjakin | 0-1 | Gelfand | Aronian | 1-0 | Gashimov | |
| Nakamura | 1-0 | Navara | Caruana | ½-½ | Van Wely | |
| Carlsen | ½-½ | Giri | Giri | 1-0 | Kamsky | |
| Kamsky | ½-½ | Caruana | Navara | ½-½ | Carlsen | |
| Van Wely | ½-½ | Aronian | Gelfand | 0-1 | Nakamura | |
| Gashimov | 0-1 | Ivanchuk | Radjabov | 1-0 | Karjakin | |
| Round 7 | 21.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 8 | 22.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Karjakin | 1-0 | Topalov | Topalov | - | Aronian | |
| Nakamura | ½-½ | Radjabov | Caruana | - | Ivanchuk | |
| Carlsen | 1-0 | Gelfand | Giri | - | Gashimov | |
| Kamsky | 1-0 | Navara | Navara | - | Van Wely | |
| Van Wely | ½-½ | Giri | Gelfand | - | Kamsky | |
| Gashimov | ½-½ | Caruana | Radjabov | - | Carlsen | |
| Ivanchuk | ½-½ | Aronian | Karjakin | - | Nakamura | |
| Round 9 | 24.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 10 | 25.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Nakamura | - | Topalov | Topalov | - | Caruana | |
| Carlsen | - | Karjakin | Giri | - | Aronian | |
| Kamsky | - | Radjabov | Navara | - | Ivanchuk | |
| Van Wely | - | Gelfand | Gelfand | - | Gashimov | |
| Gashimov | - | Navara | Radjabov | - | Van Wely | |
| Ivanchuk | - | Giri | Karjakin | - | Kamsky | |
| Aronian | - | Caruana | Nakamura | - | Carlsen | |
| Round 11 | 27.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 12 | 28.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Carlsen | - | Topalov | Topalov | - | Giri | |
| Kamsky | - | Nakamura | Navara | - | Caruana | |
| Van Wely | - | Karjakin | Gelfand | - | Aronian | |
| Gashimov | - | Radjabov | Radjabov | - | Ivanchuk | |
| Ivanchuk | - | Gelfand | Karjakin | - | Gashimov | |
| Aronian | - | Navara | Nakamura | - | Van Wely | |
| Caruana | - | Giri | Carlsen | - | Kamsky | |
| Round 13 | 29.01.12 | 12.00 CET | ||||
| Kamsky | - | Topalov | ||||
| Van Wely | - | Carlsen | ||||
| Gashimov | - | Nakamura | ||||
| Ivanchuk | - | Karjakin | ||||
| Aronian | - | Radjabov | ||||
| Caruana | - | Gelfand | ||||
| Giri | - | Navara |
Tata Steel 2012 | Grandmaster Group A | Round 7 standings
Games group B, round 7
Tata Steel 2012 | Grandmaster Group B | Pairings
| Round 1 | 14.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 2 | 15.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Reinderman | ½-½ | Motylev | Motylev | ½-½ | Potkin | |
| Bruzon | 0-1 | Harikrishna | Tiviakov | 1-0 | Timman | |
| Lahno | 1-0 | Ernst | Nyzhnyk | ½-½ | l'Ami | |
| Harika | ½-½ | Vocaturo | Vocaturo | 1-0 | Cmilyte | |
| Cmilyte | 0-1 | Nyzhnyk | Ernst | ½-½ | Harika | |
| l'Ami | 1-0 | Tiviakov | Harikrishna | 1-0 | Lahno | |
| Timman | ½-½ | Potkin | Reinderman | ½-½ | Bruzon | |
| Round 3 | 16.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 4 | 17.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Bruzon | ½-½ | Motylev | Motylev | 1-0 | Tiviakov | |
| Lahno | ½-½ | Reinderman | Nyzhnyk | ½-½ | Potkin | |
| Harika | 0-1 | Harikrishna | Vocaturo | ½-½ | Timman | |
| Cmilyte | 1-0 | Ernst | Ernst | 1-0 | l'Ami | |
| l'Ami | 1-0 | Vocaturo | Harikrishna | ½-½ | Cmilyte | |
| Timman | 1-0 | Nyzhnyk | Reinderman | ½-½ | Harika | |
| Potkin | 0-1 | Tiviakov | Bruzon | ½-½ | Lahno | |
| Round 5 | 19.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 6 | 20.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Lahno | 0-1 | Motylev | Motylev | ½-½ | Nyzhnyk | |
| Harika | 0-1 | Bruzon | Vocaturo | ½-½ | Tiviakov | |
| Cmilyte | ½-½ | Reinderman | Ernst | 1-0 | Potkin | |
| l'Ami | ½-½ | Harikrishna | Harikrishna | 1-0 | Timman | |
| Timman | 1-0 | Ernst | Reinderman | ½-½ | l'Ami | |
| Potkin | ½-½ | Vocaturo | Bruzon | 1-0 | Cmilyte | |
| Tiviakov | ½-½ | Nyzhnyk | Lahno | ½-½ | Harika | |
| Round 7 | 21.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 8 | 22.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Harika | ½-½ | Motylev | Motylev | - | Vocaturo | |
| Cmilyte | ½-½ | Lahno | Ernst | - | Nyzhnyk | |
| l'Ami | ½-½ | Bruzon | Harikrishna | - | Tiviakov | |
| Timman | 0-1 | Reinderman | Reinderman | - | Potkin | |
| Potkin | ½-½ | Harikrishna | Bruzon | - | Timman | |
| Tiviakov | 0-1 | Ernst | Lahno | - | l'Ami | |
| Nyzhnyk | 1-0 | Vocaturo | Harika | - | Cmilyte | |
| Round 9 | 24.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 10 | 25.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Cmilyte | - | Motylev | Motylev | - | Ernst | |
| l'Ami | - | Harika | Harikrishna | - | Vocaturo | |
| Timman | - | Lahno | Reinderman | - | Nyzhnyk | |
| Potkin | - | Bruzon | Bruzon | - | Tiviakov | |
| Tiviakov | - | Reinderman | Lahno | - | Potkin | |
| Nyzhnyk | - | Harikrishna | Harika | - | Timman | |
| Vocaturo | - | Ernst | Cmilyte | - | l'Ami | |
| Round 11 | 27.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 12 | 28.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| l'Ami | - | Motylev | Motylev | - | Harikrishna | |
| Timman | - | Cmilyte | Reinderman | - | Ernst | |
| Potkin | - | Harika | Bruzon | - | Vocaturo | |
| Tiviakov | - | Lahno | Lahno | - | Nyzhnyk | |
| Nyzhnyk | - | Bruzon | Harika | - | Tiviakov | |
| Vocaturo | - | Reinderman | Cmilyte | - | Potkin | |
| Ernst | - | Harikrishna | l'Ami | - | Timman | |
| Round 13 | 29.01.12 | 12.00 CET | ||||
| Timman | - | Motylev | ||||
| Potkin | - | l'Ami | ||||
| Tiviakov | - | Cmilyte | ||||
| Nyzhnyk | - | Harika | ||||
| Vocaturo | - | Lahno | ||||
| Ernst | - | Bruzon | ||||
| Harikrishna | - | Reinderman |
Tata Steel 2012 | Grandmaster Group B | Round 7 standings
Games group C, round 7
Tata Steel 2012 | Grandmaster Group C | Pairings
| Round 1 | 14.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 2 | 15.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Sadler | 1-0 | Hopman | Hopman | 0-1 | Turov | |
| Tania | ½-½ | Grover | Schut | ½-½ | Danielian | |
| Paehtz | 0-1 | Tikkanen | Haast | ½-½ | Goudriaan | |
| Brandenburg | ½-½ | Ootes | Ootes | ½-½ | Adhiban | |
| Adhiban | 1-0 | Haast | Tikkanen | ½-½ | Brandenburg | |
| Goudriaan | 1-0 | Schut | Grover | 1-0 | Paehtz | |
| Danielian | 0-1 | Turov | Sadler | ½-½ | Tania | |
| Round 3 | 16.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 4 | 17.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Tania | ½-½ | Hopman | Hopman | 0-1 | Schut | |
| Paehtz | ½-½ | Sadler | Haast | 0-1 | Turov | |
| Brandenburg | ½-½ | Grover | Ootes | 1-0 | Danielian | |
| Adhiban | ½-½ | Tikkanen | Tikkanen | 1-0 | Goudriaan | |
| Goudriaan | 1-0 | Ootes | Grover | 0-1 | Adhiban | |
| Danielian | ½-½ | Haast | Sadler | ½-½ | Brandenburg | |
| Turov | 1-0 | Schut | Tania | 0-1 | Paehtz | |
| Round 5 | 19.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 6 | 20.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Paehtz | ½-½ | Hopman | Hopman | 1-0 | Haast | |
| Brandenburg | ½-½ | Tania | Ootes | 0-1 | Schut | |
| Adhiban | ½-½ | Sadler | Tikkanen | ½-½ | Turov | |
| Goudriaan | 0-1 | Grover | Grover | ½-½ | Danielian | |
| Danielian | 0-1 | Tikkanen | Sadler | ½-½ | Goudriaan | |
| Turov | 1-0 | Ootes | Tania | ½-½ | Adhiban | |
| Schut | 1-0 | Haast | Paehtz | ½-½ | Brandenburg | |
| Round 7 | 21.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 8 | 22.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Brandenburg | 1-0 | Hopman | Hopman | - | Ootes | |
| Adhiban | 1-0 | Paehtz | Tikkanen | - | Haast | |
| Goudriaan | ½-½ | Tania | Grover | - | Schut | |
| Danielian | ½-½ | Sadler | Sadler | - | Turov | |
| Turov | ½-½ | Grover | Tania | - | Danielian | |
| Schut | 0-1 | Tikkanen | Paehtz | - | Goudriaan | |
| Haast | 1-0 | Ootes | Brandenburg | - | Adhiban | |
| Round 9 | 24.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 10 | 25.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Adhiban | - | Hopman | Hopman | - | Tikkanen | |
| Goudriaan | - | Brandenburg | Grover | - | Ootes | |
| Danielian | - | Paehtz | Sadler | - | Haast | |
| Turov | - | Tania | Tania | - | Schut | |
| Schut | - | Sadler | Paehtz | - | Turov | |
| Haast | - | Grover | Brandenburg | - | Danielian | |
| Ootes | - | Tikkanen | Adhiban | - | Goudriaan | |
| Round 11 | 27.01.12 | 13.30 CET | Round 12 | 28.01.12 | 13.30 CET | |
| Goudriaan | - | Hopman | Hopman | - | Grover | |
| Danielian | - | Adhiban | Sadler | - | Tikkanen | |
| Turov | - | Brandenburg | Tania | - | Ootes | |
| Schut | - | Paehtz | Paehtz | - | Haast | |
| Haast | - | Tania | Brandenburg | - | Schut | |
| Ootes | - | Sadler | Adhiban | - | Turov | |
| Tikkanen | - | Grover | Goudriaan | - | Danielian | |
| Round 13 | 29.01.12 | 12.00 CET | ||||
| Danielian | - | Hopman | ||||
| Turov | - | Goudriaan | ||||
| Schut | - | Adhiban | ||||
| Haast | - | Brandenburg | ||||
| Ootes | - | Paehtz | ||||
| Tikkanen | - | Tania | ||||
| Grover | - | Sadler |
Tata Steel 2012 | Grandmaster Group C | Round 7 standings
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Comments
arkan
1 year 4 months ago
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nasty fork by Ernst :) I guess Tiviakov was in severe timetrouble?
Mirlo
1 year 4 months ago
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An an amateur I found the Karjakin/Topalov ending very educational. Especially seeing Houdini declare mate in 43 from the Tata live games feed.
raving_mad
1 year 4 months ago
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Gelfand is hiding his preparation. He is hiding his middle-game play as well, and his endgame. But just wait for the wc-match, then all preparation will come to light and Anand will suffer. Or not.
harekrishna
1 year 4 months ago
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Rather not, I believe...
joey
1 year 4 months ago
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My guess is he will hide his prep in the wc match as well...
Abbas
1 year 4 months ago
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Gelfand is going to hide himself after the WC.
Anthony
1 year 4 months ago
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Tomorrow looks like a very crucial round. A lot can happen with that pairing.
The second half of the tournament is going to be slightly more difficult for Carlsen. He had a few relatively 'easy' rounds.
But Aronian awaits a few more tests too.
Brecht
1 year 4 months ago
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I think all matches are pre-arranged! Gelfand loss was on purpose, to help Carlsen win the tournament, Carlsen paid two kg of gold for that!
Bobby Fisher was right! Chess is dead, long live Fischer Random Chess!
Guillaume
1 year 4 months ago
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It's worse than you'd think. Everything is pre-arranged, including Fisher random and quantum measurements:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdeterminism
Louis van Meegeren
1 year 4 months ago
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This article needs attention from an expert on the subject.
Bert de Bruut
1 year 4 months ago
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When you see prearrangements everywhere, or rather conspiracies, it's time to go see a doctor.
Guillaume
1 year 4 months ago
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Agreed. My comment was ironical.
Septimus
1 year 4 months ago
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LOL
classic
1 year 4 months ago
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Overall I think Aronian has been the most impressive player so far. Carlsen perhaps not in his best form, judging from the games against Caruana, Giri and Navara. Even the win against Aronian was a little rusty. Todays win against Gelfand was flawless though, and promises perhaps a sharper Carlsen in the second half.
Both Carlsen and Aronian should normally expect 4 points from the last 6 rounds.
But if either Carlsen makes a full point against Radjabov or Aronian makes a full point against Topalov in round 8 tomorrow, I believe we also see the winner of the tournament.
Anonymous
1 year 4 months ago
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Well it wasn't exactly "flawless", as carlsen admitted afterwards he blundered with 28.Nf4? allowing 28..g5 followed by 29..g4, equalising. Gelfand himself then blundered with ..Nd7? after which Carlsen played Be3 and it all fell apart.
The Player
1 year 4 months ago
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To lead the A-group "not being in his best form" must be a qualitystamp for Magnus ;)
Thomas
1 year 4 months ago
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Correct - a great player can do well (at least in terms of results) even if he isn't in his best form. I wouldn't put too much into Carlsen's game against Navara - even a relatively weaker player suffering from poor form can sometimes hold a draw with white.
But against Caruana and Giri Carlsen may have benefitted from his reputation or 'standing', Kramnik may well have a point:
"Of course Caruana has an advantage, against any other player he would now choose the objectively strongest move. But against Carlsen he picks the safest move. I noticed it more often, everyone is afraid of Carlsen." Quoted by IM Ligterink in "de Volkskrant" (same story for Carlsen-Giri?), Russian original here: http://chess-news.ru/node/5706 with thanks to Colin McGourty.
Carlsen-Gelfand may be a bit related - Gelfand knew he was suffering (in an objectively holdable position) and didn't put up the best defense. Pointing out that the game wasn't flawless isn't Carlsen-hating unless Carlsen hates himself. The game says more about Gelfand's poor form than about Carlsen's form. And it probably got the daily prize because, and only because Karjakin's win against Topalov wasn't convincing but a seesaw game, and Kamsky's win against Navara was too easy.
Mattovsky
1 year 4 months ago
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Nice little trick from Reindeer Man :-)
Marcel
1 year 4 months ago
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These video's on the site are awfull! Hire some professional and stop asking bloody obvious questions!
Lee
1 year 4 months ago
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I think the problem is that by and large these super GM's are just terrible at being interviewed (with some exceptions). They just don't like to give anything away, they fail to elaborate unless pushed and are quite contrary in their responses to questions.
Added to which, they don't like to tempt fate by saying "I'm playing well" or "It was an easy game".
It makes for a hard target to get 30 seconds of decent footage out of I think.
I really don't think that for these short interviews there's anything better they can do then go with "How was the game" and "are you happy with your tournament so far?". Banal to be sure, but the players aren't likely to give insightful responses in these post game interviews anyway.
fen
1 year 4 months ago
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"Banal to be sure..."
Exactly the reason that the postmortems on the wooden boards are so important.
It amazes me that the folks at Tata Steel don't seem to understand the value of the GM analysis in generating interest in this tournament. Who cares whether there are journalists there or not? Most of the people interested in this tournament have to follow it on the website because we can't be there in person. Just have the players who win the Game of the Day prize do a postmortem. Film it, and then post it on the website.
Lee
1 year 4 months ago
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" Just have the players who win the Game of the Day prize do a postmortem. Film it, and then post it on the website."
I approve of this plan.
Ahmet Ünal GÜREL
1 year 4 months ago
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I totally back you up! I watch them only because I wonder the atmosphere.
Hughbertie
1 year 4 months ago
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As an Animal Farm analogy all GM's are equal but some are more equal than others...it must be depressing for these average 27 something GM's. Surely they realise they are just making up the numbers, apart from Chuky and Radjabov the rest have wasted their lives and are not in Carlsens and Aronians class.
FIDE should organise a double round robin of Pug, Aronian, Kramnik, Radjabov and Anand, the winner declared World Champion for the credibility of the game. Would be brilliant.
Anonymous
1 year 4 months ago
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"the rest have wasted their lives" this is come from hughbertie, who I imagine is at best an 1800 player who works in mcdonalds and can only dream of being grandmaster strength. get a grip you loser and start treating decent players with respect.
The Devil
1 year 4 months ago
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Who cares what they do in real life apart from Chess? What matters is the fact that when you post on a Chess website, and have an interest in Chess, you're in their world. And in this world, they're the kings. Anyone in the A/B/C group could defeat you at any time of the day. Recognize who is superior and have some respect, and maybe learn a thing or two.
Lee
1 year 4 months ago
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This is like saying that the guys outside the top 2 in tennis or golf have wasted their lives.
I'm fairly sure that making a living doing what they love is a valid life choice. A waste... not at all.
Excalibur
1 year 4 months ago
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"As an Animal Farm analogy all GM's are equal but some are more equal than others...it must be depressing for these average 27 something GM's. Surely they realise they are just making up the numbers, apart from Chuky and Radjabov the rest have wasted their lives and are not in Carlsens and Aronians class".
I now nominate this the daftest comment ever typed on Chess Vibes. Ever.
Mike
1 year 4 months ago
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It seems Carlsen is the "Capablanca of the computer era": he plays crystal clear good moves all the time creating some unsurmountable psychological pressure (the "vacuum pressure'..) over his opponents who eventually collapse into infantile week moves and lose even not knowing why they did so...
john.delpanjo
1 year 4 months ago
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if that is the case, then why carlsen has been unable to defeat Anand
Mike
1 year 4 months ago
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Off course I think we will see it....
S3
1 year 4 months ago
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So his opponents play infantile week (..) moves but don't know about it?
Mike
1 year 4 months ago
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Sometimes it's so difficult to explain...Of course a figurative expression..."infantile moves" are for example non-forced mistakes in a situation of slight disadvantage or so, when even a child would see them (loosing a pawn or a piece from nothing..), as viewed from the position of the external observer who is not immersed into the "psychological pressure"...Understand only who really WANT to understand....
S3
1 year 4 months ago
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Take for instance Gelfand's two move blunder. It's hard to explain. Maybe Carlsen forced that mistake by strong play. Or maybe Gelfand was just distracted by Carlsens stink breath. It's all speculation when we talk about the reasons of their mistakes.
Guillaume
1 year 4 months ago
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I have a challenge for you. Try to say something positive about Carlsen without insulting him in the same paragraph.
Pablo
1 year 4 months ago
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That's really not possible. S3 is really inmature.
The Player
1 year 4 months ago
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S3 is the biggest Magnus-hater in the World. I am so sick and tired of his childish and negative comments. Please get up in the morning, take a look at your sad face in the mirror, shout at your self for 10 minutes, and find another hobby. We don´t need you on this forum.
S3
1 year 4 months ago
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Maybe you guys misunderstood, I just meant to say that giving the reasons behind Gelfands blunder is pure speculation.
Given the choice between the above options I think the breath thingy more likely, as I don't see any real pressure of white before Gelfand starts to err.
For those who can read that's not really an insult, as it just goes to show how ridiculous the other explanation is.
redivivo
1 year 4 months ago
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You state that Gelfand being "distracted by Carlsens stink breath" is a more likely explanation for his loss than that he was put under pressure by Carlsen. GM Naiditsch said "for the next 40 moves we will see White pushing in a minimal better position and will be able to enjoy Carlsen's technical skills" around move 20. Gelfand found it increasingly difficult to hold the balance and got into time trouble. Not too surprising that he didn't find all the best moves in the end, but it certainly had something to do with the way his opponent played.
S3
1 year 4 months ago
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If anything, it only proves how biased some people are. After all, Naijditsch can't predict the future and indeed, he was wrong and had to criticize Carlsens play only a couple of moves later. Right until Gelfands blunder, accidentally!
It's possible that Gelfand blundered because of time trouble but judging by the simple nature of the mistake I think it had more to do with bad form than his opponent.
Thomas
1 year 4 months ago
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The truth (as far as we patzers can discern the truth in top GM games) may be somewhere in between. White had a slight but stable advantage (bishop pair) not because Carlsen did anything special, but because it's generally the case in this line of the Slav. However, black should be able to hold the position. Gelfand got into time trouble (again) not because Carlsen did anything special. Actually he often gets into time trouble, no matter if the position is better for him, worse or plain unclear.
Overall it was a regular and deserved victory by Carlsen, but let's not exaggerate calling it a masterpiece or something only Carlsen could do.
S3
1 year 4 months ago
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The game suggest that the psychological pressure was not really induced by precise play (as allowing g5 e.g. was good for black), so I think it likely that somehow he is putting pressure on the opponent away from the board. Is that an acceptable thought?
Anonymous
1 year 4 months ago
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you really are a miserable old troll aren't you s3
cak
1 year 4 months ago
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
Hughbertie
1 year 4 months ago
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Has this site ran out of puff already????
http://whychess.org/en/news-archive
what a shame.
Simple Pole etc.
1 year 4 months ago
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In contrast, the site http://www.pogonina.com/ has been last updated on Sunday, March 25, 2012 (Воскресенье, 25 Март 2012). A neat trick!
columbo
1 year 4 months ago
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and don't forget S3 : while watching your face in the mirror, try to say " 2 " .. " 8 " ... " 4 " ... " 1 " , just in case if you can't follow the matches properly
Septimus
1 year 4 months ago
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Of all the players, I feel really bad for David Navara. He is having a horrendous tourney and will probably lose a ton of rating points.
Frits Fritschy
1 year 4 months ago
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By the way, so off topic (but no one reading this anyway probably): what a stunning photo of Wijk aan Zee. Fred Lucas? Reminds me of an impressionist painting I once saw, but couldn't trace it after googling an hour or so. Anyone any idea?
Peter Doggers
1 year 4 months ago
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Lucky shot with... an iPhone using Camera+ app!
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