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The European Women Ch and the Women Grand Prix after five rounds

12 March 2009, 21.42 CET | By Peter Doggers  | Filed under: Reports | Tags: , ,

European Ch, FIDE Grand PrixTo the astonishment of ECU President Boris Kutin and everybody else (well, perhaps except for our distinguished FIDE President) two highly important women events are taking place at the same time: the European Championship in St. Petersburg and the first Grand Prix in Istanbul. A brief update on these two tournaments.

The 10th European Individual Women’s Chess Championship takes place 7-19 March in St. Petersburg, Russia. The rules are similar to the men’s tournament: it’s an 11-round Swiss with over 150 players from which the 14 best will qualify for the next Women World Championship. Top participants are Anna Muzychuk, Nana Dzagnidze, Ketevan Arakhamia-Grant, Anna Ushenina, Natalia Zhukova, Kateryna Lahno and the Kosintseva sisters.

After five rounds, Hungarian (Vietnamese-born) GM Hoang Thanh Trang is leading the field together with IM Lili Mkrtchian, GM Monika Socko and IM Salome Melia who are all on 4.5/5. In the 6th round it’s Melian-Hoang and Mkrtchian-Socko.

European Women Championship | Round 5 Standings (top 25)

Rank Name Score Fed. Rating TPR W-We
1 GM Hoang Thanh Trang 4.5 HUN 2483 2709 +1.08
2 IM Mkrtchian, Lilit 4.5 ARM 2460 2694 +1.14
3 GM Socko, Monika 4.5 POL 2449 2728 +1.44
4 IM Melia, Salome 4.5 GEO 2422 2688 +1.34
5 IM Arakhamia-Grant, Ketevan 4.0 SCO 2500 2559 +0.33
6 GM Lahno, Kateryna 4.0 UKR 2488 2591 +0.60
7 WGM Pogonina, Natalija 4.0 RUS 2467 2518 +0.30
8 IM Kovalevskaya, Ekaterina 4.0 RUS 2442 2565 +0.73
9 IM Ovod, Evgenija 4.0 RUS 2430 2554 +0.74
10 IM Khurtsidze, Nino 4.0 GEO 2421 2555 +0.81
11 IM Foisor, Cristina-Adela 4.0 ROU 2412 2548 +0.87
12 IM Rajlich, Iweta 4.0 POL 2399 2515 +0.68
13 WGM Kovanova, Baira 4.0 RUS 2386 2508 +0.78
14 WGM Zawadzka, Jolanta 4.0 POL 2385 2555 +1.04
15 WGM Demina, Julia 4.0 RUS 2361 2448 +0.57
16 GM Dzagnidze, Nana 3.5 GEO 2518 2510 -0.02
17 IM Ushenina, Anna 3.5 UKR 2499 2480 -0.09
18 IM Kosintseva, Tatiana 3.5 RUS 2497 2417 -0.44
19 IM Paehtz, Elisabeth 3.5 GER 2455 2434 -0.11
20 WGM Romanko, Marina 3.5 RUS 2451 2466 +0.12
21 IM Lomineishvili, Maia 3.5 GEO 2437 2456 +0.14
22 IM Khukhashvili, Sopiko 3.5 GEO 2416 2470 +0.37
23 WGM Shadrina, Tatiana 3.5 RUS 2416 2478 +0.46
24 WFM Bodnaruk, Anastasia 3.5 RUS 2384 2444 +0.40
25 WGM Stepovaia, Tatiana 3.5 RUS 2379 2388 +0.06


(Full standings here.)


Hou Yifan

Hou Yifan leads after 5 rounds


As reported earlier, there’s a clash with the 1st FIDE Women Grand Prix which takes place 5-20 March in Istanbul, Turkey. The participants there are Humpy Koneru, Hou Yifan, Antoaneta Stefanova, Pia Cramling, Marie Sebag, Maia Chiburdanidze, Zhao Xue, Martha Fierro, Elina Danielian, Shen Yang, Zeinab Mamedjarova and Bet?ºl Cemre Yildiz, and everyone who can count quickly already knows that this event also runs 11 rounds.


The total prize fund is ‚Ǩ 60,000; the winner earns ‚Ǩ 6,500. Compare that to the winner of a men’s Grand Prix: he wins ‚Ǩ 30,000. This event has also reached the 5th round and 15-year-old Chinese GM Hou Yifan is in sole lead; she’s on 4.5 out of 5 ahead of Koneru and Zhao Xue who have half a point less.


FIDE Women Grand Prix, Istanbul | Round 5 Standings

        1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2    
1 Hou Yifan 2571 +250 *       1   ½     1 1 1 4.5/5  
2 Koneru,H 2621 +41   *   1   1     ½ 1 ½   4.0/5 8.50
3 Zhao Xue 2508 +219     *   ½   ½   1 1   1 4.0/5 5.75
4 Fierro Baquero,M 2403 +204   0   * ½         1 1 1 3.5/5  
5 Stefanova,A 2557 -41 0   ½ ½ *     1     1   3.0/5 6.25
6 Danielian,E 2496 +69   0       * 1 1 ½     ½ 3.0/5 5.50
7 Chiburdanidze,M 2516 -5 ½   ½     0 * ½ 1       2.5/5  
8 Sebag,M 2529 -123         0 0 ½ * ½     1 2.0/5  
9 Shen Yang 2448 -61   ½ 0     ½ 0 ½ *       1.5/5  
10 Cramling,P 2548 -325 0 0 0 0           * 1   1.0/5  
11 Yildiz,B 2214 -55 0 ½   0 0         0 *   0.5/5 2.00
12 Mamedjarova,Z 2362 -242 0   0 0   ½   0       * 0.5/5 1.50


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29 Responses to “The European Women Ch and the Women Grand Prix after five rounds”

  1. Carol on March 12th, 2009 22:29

    Hou Yifan should be playing in men’s events, like Judit Polgar

  2. Silken on March 12th, 2009 23:24

    She does. Wijk aan Zee 08 & 09 she played in Group B, for example.

  3. James on March 13th, 2009 02:44

    It’s not the exactly time before Hou win the wwcc 2010.

  4. me on March 13th, 2009 11:32

    Yesterday the official site of the Grand Prix went down and all the leachers’ broadcasts went down too. So it was imposible to follow games anywhere.

    I hope now you understand why Bulgarians protested in Topalov vs. Kamsky match. They done all the work and others (like ChessBase) took it without asking.

    The organizers have ALL the rights that are connected with the broadcast. If the organizers wouldn’t transmit the games, nobody would. It has nothing to do with copyrighting the chess moves. It’s about who invested money and work.

    I hope this gives you a new perspective on the whole “Bulgarians vs. ChessBase” thing. Organizers invest money and do all the work, so they are rightfully pissed when someone steals their work without asking!

    I think ChessBase, ICC, ChessOK, etc. should pay the organizers for broadcasting rights. Like in any other sport – if you want to broadcast – pay!

  5. Johny on March 13th, 2009 11:48

    Me: sure they did all the work, but after all that’s because they were the organizers, weren’t they? If they don’t like doing all the work, they could just let others organize it, right? Organizing something doesn’t come with profits only – it also comes with responsibilities.

    It’s the same mistake bars and restaurants make when they charge extra money for using their toilet: a misplaced feeling of being deprived of something that is completely normal in the first place.

  6. Remco on March 13th, 2009 12:11

    @me: You talk about “ALL the rights that are connected with the broadcast”. Great. It’s their broadcast, so indeed all the rights that are related to it would seem to belong to them.

    So which rights are that? There are a few kinds of rights that exist: patents, trade secrets, copyrights, and some more obscure types. Patents and trade secrets are not, I believe, in question here, so obviously we are talking about all the COPYRIGHTS connected with the broadcast. Why you say first they have all the rights, then say it’s not about copyright is unclear.

    Well, what do they have copyright on? You can get copyright on creative works of which you’re the author. You can’t get copyright on facts (i.e., if I write down the current score of a football match, I don’t have copyright on that, but if I write a text report about the match, who is playing better in my opinion, et cetera, then I do have copyright on that).

    Chess moves are usually considered to be similar to the score line of a sports match, and not copyrightable.

    So “all the rights connected with the broadcast” may include copyright on any analysis, camera feeds, pictures, commentary, but it does not include the actual moves.

    And what matters least is that they invested money for it. Paying money doesn’t suddenly give someone extra rights!

  7. me on March 13th, 2009 12:13

    So just because Stadio Olimpico in Rome will organize the Champion’s League final, they are responsible for the broadcast? Yes, they are responsible for the broadcast, but not for free! If someone wants to broadcast the game, they will have to pay – big time!

    Bulgarian organisers did their duty, they broadcasted the games, but this doesn’t mean others can hijack their broadcast. Afterall ChessBase is atracting potential customers with their broadcasts. Why should organisers of tournaments let ChessBase profit from their work?

    I don’t know why people think it is so inexplicable that broadcasting of a chess tournament is not for free. Tell me one other event that you can broadcast for free? Just like that, without asking anyone and without doing any work by yourself?

    The whole thing is very simple, if somebody wants to broadcast a chess event, he should purchase broadcasting rights like in any other sport. Public interest and reputation of the event will set the market value (like in any other sport). If ChessBase (or anybody else) will see that the interest of new potential custumers outweights the costs then they will purchase the rights, if not, they won’t. It’ like that EVERYWHERE.

  8. Pedro on March 13th, 2009 13:39

    I agree with Me’s arguments. It is regular bussiness thing charge for the broadcast of any other sport events, why in chess should be different? We have to get the way others sports make money and bussiness.

  9. guitarspider on March 13th, 2009 14:46

    The great advantage chess has is that it is free to watch. If you start charging you hurt chess, because people will not pay to watch these games. Maybe they will pay for stuff like Linares, but how many people will pay to watch the two events we are talking about? Not many. This means less publicity, less sponsors and ultimately less chess tournaments.
    If you give away the games for free (like right now) you have a thriving chess environment. More people watch free games, which means more publicity, more attention, more hits on the websites, more sponsors. The reason chess is so popular right now is that the internet provides the opportunity to relay all these chess events for free.

  10. me on March 13th, 2009 15:01

    I believe it is contrary.

    Why would potential sponsors want to finance the event and set up the official site, if people don’t have to visit it at all? Most people on Playchess or ICC aren’t even aware of the official website and they never visit it. Sponsors don’t get publics attention because people are watching the transmission elsewhere, and they are less likely to sponsor the event again.

    The necesarity of purchasing the broadcasting rights, doesn’t necesarily mean that chess fans will have to pay to view the games. You can watch football on TV without paying additionally. Like I said, Chessbase, ICC or whoever will purchase the broadcasting rights if their own benefits will outweight the costs. It’s in their own interest that they have many users.

  11. Silken on March 13th, 2009 15:05

    Can anyone tell me how the topic went to chessbase’s alleged theft anyway? Please don’t feed the troll that – I suspect – just comes from one of chessbase’s competitors.

  12. me on March 13th, 2009 15:09

    “Can anyone tell me how the topic went to chessbase‚Äôs alleged theft anyway?”

    Read and you will see.

    “Please don‚Äôt feed the troll that – I suspect – just comes from one of chessbase‚Äôs competitors.”

    You assume much too much. DOn’t read and don’t comment if you don’t want to, but please leave us alone. I don’t tell you what to discuss and what not either, do I?

  13. Peter Doggers on March 13th, 2009 15:19

    OK, by now I think a legitimate question is: do we need a general forum at ChessVibes, besides the comments? Often the discussion gets completely off-topic and, well, let’s simply put it in another question: is this good or bad?

  14. me on March 13th, 2009 15:32

    I don’t think it is completely off-topic. It has to do with broadcasting the tournaments in general. Yesterday it was painfully obvious that there is only one real broadcaster – the official site. Others are just leachers. What if organisers decide to not broasdcast the games on the official site because they don’t see any benefit of doing so (because people don’t visit their page anyway)? Then what?

  15. Mohit sharma on March 13th, 2009 16:18

    I agree with guitarspider.
    1. Live moves is a little different from live action. For example BBC provides live text of football(soccer), tennis and other sports.
    2. As for people not visiting organizer’s website, it depends on the quality of the website. If two websites are free, poeople will use the one they like more. Of course established chess websites have advantage of established communities. But organizer’s website has the advantage of being the authorative source.
    3. A lot of times chess journalists catch the action live on physical site and relay it to there website. This can not be argued against.

    We can not ignore the fact that ChessBase and Bulgarian chess have not got along in recent past.

  16. alter-me on March 13th, 2009 16:22

    Can we please have a discussion here about broadcasts, copyrights and PR, please? We haven’t had that for a long time. Thanks in advance.

  17. Castro on March 13th, 2009 16:44

    Just to warn: Beware! If you don’t stop that, I will enter the discussion, with my bad English!
    ;-)

  18. Peter Doggers on March 13th, 2009 17:09

    lol

  19. Mohit Sharma on March 13th, 2009 17:51

    Apologies.

  20. test on March 14th, 2009 00:14

    Now that we’re at it, did you read that latest letter from Mamedyarov? Should we ban doping tests? What to do about all these draws?

  21. test on March 14th, 2009 00:15

    I propose a new scoring system, it will solve everything!

  22. Jagdish Dube,Sambaipur,(ORISSA), on March 14th, 2009 06:50

    Date : 2009/03/07 To 2009/03/19

    Table/starting rank after round 6

    SNo. Name Rtg FED 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Pts Res. SB. IRat-?ò Rp Rank
    1 GM CRAMLING Pia 2548 SWE * 1 0 0 0 ¬? 0 1¬? 0 1,75 2474 2281 11
    2 WIM YILDIZ Betul Cemre 2214 TUR 0 * 0 0 0 0 ¬? ¬? 0 2,50 2535 2134 12
    3 IM FIERRO Baquero Martha L. 2403 ECU 1 1 * 0 1 ¬? 0 3¬? 0 5,00 2479 2536 5
    4 GM HOU Yifan 2571 CHN 1 1 1 * ¬? 1 1 5¬? 0 11,25 2433 2834 1
    5 GM ZHAO Xue 2508 CHN 1 1 * 1 ¬? 1 ¬? 5 0 7,75 2441 2714 3
    6 GM SEBAG Marie 2529 FRA ¬? * 0 ¬? ¬? 1 0 2¬? ¬? 4,25 2488 2431 8
    7 IM DANIELIAN Elina 2496 ARM 1 * ¬? 1 ¬? 1 0 4 0 9,50 2506 2631 4
    8 WGM SHEN Yang 2448 CHN 0 ¬? ¬? * 0 0 ¬? 1¬? 0 5,75 2505 2312 10
    9 GM CHIBURDANIDZE Maia 2516 GEO ¬? ¬? ¬? 0 1 * 0 2¬? ¬? 8,00 2529 2472 7
    10 WGM MAMEDJAROVA Zeinab 2362 AZE 0 0 0 0 ¬? 1 * 1¬? 1 3,50 2493 2300 9
    11 GM STEFANOVA Antoaneta 2557 BUL 1 ¬? 0 ¬? 1 0 * 3 0 7,25 2454 2454 6
    12 GM KONERU Humpy 2621 IND 1 ¬? 1 1 ¬? 1 * 5 0 12,50 2438 2711 2

  23. Jagdish Dube,Sambaipur,(ORISSA), on March 14th, 2009 06:57

    Above Cross-Table is as per fide.com World Chess Federation.

  24. Jagdish Dube,Sambaipur,(ORISSA), on March 15th, 2009 12:18

    Standings after 7 rounds:

    Rank SNo.
    Name Rtg FED Pts Res. SB. Koya
    1 4 GM HOU Yifan 2571 CHN 6¬? 0 17,75 3¬?
    2 5 GM ZHAO Xue 2508 CHN 6 0 13,00 2
    3 12 GM KONERU Humpy 2621 IND 5 0 14,75 3
    4 7 IM DANIELIAN Elina 2496 ARM 4¬? 0 13,25 3
    5 11 GM STEFANOVA Antoaneta 2557 BUL 3¬? 1¬? 9,75 2
    6 9 GM CHIBURDANIDZE Maia 2516 GEO 3¬? ¬? 11,50 1¬?
    7 3 IM FIERRO Baquero Martha L. 2403 ECU 3¬? ¬? 5,75 ¬?

    6 GM SEBAG Marie 2529 FRA 3¬? ¬? 5,75 ¬?
    9 8 WGM SHEN Yang 2448 CHN 2 0 8,25 2
    10 1 GM CRAMLING Pia 2548 SWE 2 0 4,50 1
    11 10 WGM MAMEDJAROVA Zeinab 2362 AZE 1¬? 0 4,25 ¬?
    12 2 WIM YILDIZ Betul Cemre 2214 TUR ¬? 0 2,50 ¬?
    Courtesey:-Offigial Website.

  25. Jagdish Dube,Sambaipur,(ORISSA), on March 15th, 2009 12:28

    Round 7 on 2009/03/14 at 15:00

    SNo.
    Name Rtg Res.
    Name Rtg SNo.
    4 GM HOU Yifan 2571 1 – 0 GM KONERU Humpy 2621 12
    5 GM ZHAO Xue 2508 1 – 0 IM FIERRO Baquero Martha L. 2403 3
    6 GM SEBAG Marie 2529 1 – 0 WIM YILDIZ Betul Cemre 2214 2
    7 IM DANIELIAN Elina 2496 ¬? – ¬? GM CRAMLING Pia 2548 1
    8 WGM SHEN Yang 2448 ¬? – ¬? GM STEFANOVA Antoaneta 2557 11
    9 GM CHIBURDANIDZE Maia 2516 1 – 0 WGM MAMEDJAROVA Zeinab 2362 10
    Courtesey:-Official Website.

  26. Peter Doggers on March 15th, 2009 12:45

    Guess it’s about time I offer you a job here.

  27. Thomas on March 15th, 2009 14:10

    @Peter: I know this is a joke … but how much would you pay for copy-pasting from the official website?
    How much would you pay for original content in the comments? Hopefully not by number of words, though … :)

  28. Sergey Sorokhtin on March 15th, 2009 19:40

    Look 300+ photo from w Euro Camp.
    http://pokerchess.ru/photogallery.php?album_id=23

  29. Ricardo on March 16th, 2009 15:25

    Carol, Hou aint ripe for the men yet… Not just yet, she probably will in say 2 years time but she won’t achieve much if she dares now!

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