Comments on: Three draws in Bazna

By: moonnie

moonnie — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:28:27 +0000

Forgot to mention …. great work andreas !!

By: moonnie

moonnie — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:27:44 +0000

Script works (looks a bit weird but i can replay the games atleast)

I suggest putting the link somewhere so all people who do not want to or can use silverlight can use it

By: Andreas Andreou

Andreas Andreou — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:27:19 +0000

wrt the silverlight app – i’m also on linux & mainly using FF, so i wrote a small greasemonkey script that replaces the app with a java viewer.

Perhaps it’s useful to others – http://pgnviewer.andyhot.gr/pgnViewer/greasemonkey.html or http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/51803

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By: Castro

Castro — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:27:54 +0000

Sofia adds to the absurd of it’s draw (outlaw) rules the absurd time control.
The two combined make the (for me) worse tournament around, with a lot more of oportunities (and eventualities) of non-chess, especialy when the games go to that infame last-period.

As for the “moral” profile of a draw offer: I think the only posible way such an offer could be “unkind” or “immoral” is the one forbided by the FIDE rules: If it is one of many, or persistently, just to annoy the opponent.
Even if my opponent is getting mated, he can offer me a draw without me taking it as an insult. It will even put a smile in my face
As for the time trouble, I feel the same. It is MY responsability to have time enough to maybe be “destabilised” by the regular draw offers he has THE RIGHT to offer.

By: moonnie

moonnie — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:26:45 +0000

For people who cannot run the silverlight app. chessbase has the games with commentary as well (that is where i try to follow most chess games now)

By: Thomas

Thomas — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:09:24 +0000

An interesting question, though (everyone may have his own answer[s]): When does a player have the “moral” right to offer a draw:
- in a slightly worse position? [assuming that Ivanchuk agreed with the assessments by Peter Doggersand GM Rogozenko _during the game_]
- in one’s own time trouble?
- in the opponent’s time trouble?
- in mutual time trouble? [Radjabov-Shirov]

With Sofia rules enforced, both games would have continued, but the results would probably have been the same – if the players had made it to the time control. And Ivanchuk-Gelfand may well have continued for another 50 moves or so !?

By: Peter Doggers

Peter Doggers — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:25:58 +0000

You’re right, I was mistaken. Better to leave it out althogether.

By: Thomas

Thomas — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:22:59 +0000

I don’t mean to be nitpicking too much …. but I think the revised sentence is still wrong concerning who was in time trouble. Or do you have information which contradicts the official site?
Otherwise, you may be (subconciously) falling into a trap thinking “Ivanchuk is always in time trouble”, but maybe there are exceptions to this rule .

By: Peter Doggers

Peter Doggers — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:46:56 +0000

As I don’t know who offered the draw, I changed the sentence slightly.