Reports | June 08, 2011 18:45

Updates from the FIDE front

Updates from the FIDE frontThe FIDE rating list will appear monthly, the deadline for bidding for the Anand-Gelfand match has been extended, the list of 2011 World Cup qualifiers has been published (with Sebastien Feller on it) and there is now a Foundation for Modernisation of FIDE. We bring some updates from the FIDE front, resulting from the Presidential Board meeting that was held in Al Ain, Abu Dhabi Emirate.

A group photo from the Presidential Board meeting held in Al Ain | Photo courtesy of FIDE

Al Ain, the second largest city in the Abu Dhabi Emirate and the fourth largest city in the United Arab Emirates, is located approximately 160 km east of the capital Abu Dhabi and about 120 km south of Dubai. There, on June 5th and 6th, Continental President for Asia, Sultan bin Khalifa Al Nehyan, hosted the 2nd Quarter FIDE Presidential Board Meeting, under the auspices of the Asian Chess Federation.

A number of interesting decisions were made in Al Ain. From the original source on the FIDE website we mention the most important ones here:

The FIDE rating list will appear monthly

The Presidential Board

"decided to implement the recommendation of the Qualification Chairman and Rating Administrator to lower the rating floor to 1000 and produce the rating list on a monthly basis. It was agreed that this should come into effect from July 1st 2012."

We can only applaud this decision, with a small suggestion: take the coming year to create a live ratings section on the FIDE website and publish the new ratings of the 2700+ players on a daily basis. If several amateurs can do this on the internet, FIDE should certainly be able to do it, and we don't have to call these live ratings unofficial any more!

The deadline for bidding for the Anand-Gelfand match has been extended

In fact also those of the Women's match.

"The closing dates for bids for the World Championship Match 2012 and the Women’s World Championship Match 2011 were extended to July 31st and June 15th respectively. Proposals for both events were under consideration by potential bidders."

We might interpret this as: FIDE would like to give potential sponsors from Israel more time, and is still hoping to organize the Hou Yifan-Humpy Koneru match before the end of the year.

The list of 2011 World Cup qualifiers has been published

Actually this was posted on FIDE.com last Friday already. The 2011 FIDE World Cup will take place August 26th - September 20th, 2011 in Khanty-Mansiysk. Here's the list of qualifiers:

FIDE logoQUALIFIERS for the WORLD CUP 2011

a) From World Championship Match 2010:
01. V. Anand (IND)

b) From World Cup 2009:
02. B. Gelfand (ISR)
03. R. Ponomariov (UKR)
04. V. Malakhov (RUS)
05. S. Karjakin (RUS)

c) Women's World Champion 2010:
06. Hou Yifan (CHN)

d) Junior World Champions 2009 & 2010:
07. M. Vachier-Lagrave (FRA)
08. D. Andreikin (RUS)

e) From FIDE Rating List, 20 players, average 7/2010 & 1/2011:
09. M. Carlsen (NOR) 2820,00
10. L. Aronian (ARM) 2805,00
11. V. Topalov (BUL) 2789,00
12. V. Kramnik (RUS) 2787,00
13. A. Grischuk (RUS) 2766,50
14. S. Mamedyarov (AZE) 2766,50
15. V. Ivanchuk (UKR) 2751,50
16. T. Radjabov (AZE) 2746,00
17. H. Nakamura (USA) 2740,00
18. P. Eljanov (UKR) 2739,50
19. A. Shirov (ESP) 2735,50
20. P. Svidler (RUS) 2732,00
21. V. Gashimov (AZE) 2727,50
22. Wang Hao (CHN) 2727,50
23. P. Leko (HUN) 2725,50
24. Wang Yue (CHN) 2725,00
25. D. Jakovenko (RUS) 2722,00
26. G. Kamsky (USA) 2721,50
27. E. Bacrot (FRA) 2721,50
28. D. Navara (CZE) 2719,50

f) 46 players from European Championships 2010 & 2011
29. I. Nepomniachtchi (RUS) 2010
30. B. Jobava (GEO) 2010
31. A. Timofeev (RUS) 2010
32. Z. Efimenko (UKR) 2010
33. I. Lysyj (RUS) 2010
34. Z. Almasi (HUN) 2010
35. E. Tomashevsky (RUS) 2010
36. M. Rodshtein (ISR) 2010
37. I. Salgado Lopez (ESP) 2010
38. A. Pashikian (ARM) 2010
39. R. Mamedov (AZE) 2010
40. S. Movsesian (ARM) 2010
41. V. Akopian (ARM) 2010
42. E. Alekseev (RUS) 2010
43. S. Halkias (GRE) 2010
44. F. Berkes (HUN) 2010
45. V. Potkin (RUS) 2010
46. B. Grachev (RUS) 2010
47. B. Socko (POL) 2010
48. L. Nisipeanu (ROU) 2010
49. E. Vorobiov (RUS) 2010
50. Y. Drozdovskij (UKR) 2010
51. V. Babula (CZE) 2010
52. R. Wojtaszek (POL) 2011
53. J. Polgar (HUN) 2011
54. A. Moiseenko (UKR) 2011
55. F. Vallejo Pons (ESP) 2011
56. M. Ragger (AUT) 2011
57. S. Feller (FRA) 2011
58. N. Vitiugov (RUS) 2011
59. S. Zhigalko (BLR) 2011
60. A. Korobov (UKR) 2011
61. E. Inarkiev (RUS) 2011
62. E. Postny (ISR) 2011
63. S. Azarov (BLR) 2011
64. I. Khairullin (RUS) 2011
65. M. Kobalia (RUS) 2011
66. N. Guliyev (AZE) 2011
67. Y. Zherebukh (UKR) 2011
68. A. Riazantsev (RUS) 2011
69. V. Iordachescu (MDA) 2011
70. C. Lupulescu (ROU) 2011
71. L. McShane (ENG) 2011
72. D. Fridman (GER) 2011
73. A. Motylev (RUS) 2011
74. I. Ivanisevic (SRB) 2011

g) 19 players from Americas
75. R. Felgaer (ARG) Zonal 2.5
76. S. Mareco (ARG) Zonal 2.5
77. Y. Shulman (USA) Zonal 2.1
78. S. Shankland (USA) Zonal 2.1
79. R. Hess (USA) Zonal 2.1
80. R. Robson (USA) Zonal 2.1
81. A. Onischuk (USA) Zonal 2.1
82. (…to be announced…) Zonal 2.4
83. (…to be announced…) Zonal 2.4
84. L. Dominguez (CUB) Zonal 2.3
85. L. Bruzon (CUB) Zonal 2.3
86. (...to be announced...) Zonal 2.2
87. S. A. Sanabria Rangel (COL) Continental 2010
88. M. Bluvshtein (CAN) Continental 2011
89. G. Vescovi (BRA) Continental 2011
90. Y. Quesada Perez (CUB) Continental 2011
91. J. Cori (PER) Continental 2011
92. F. Corrales Jimenez (CUB) Continental 2011
93. I. R. Ortiz Suarez (CUB) Continental 2011

h) 19 players from Asia/Oceania
94. Ni Hua (CHN) Continental 2010
95. A. Gupta (IND) Continental 2010
96. Le Quang Liem (VIE) Continental 2010
97. Wesley So (PHI) Continental 2010
98. Zhou, Jianchao (CHN) Continental 2010
99. P. Harikrishna (IND) Continental 2011
100. Yu Yangyi (CHN) Continental 2011
101. Nguyen Ngoc Truong Son (VIE) Continental 2011
102. R. Jumabayev (KAZ) Continental 2011
103. Li Chao B (CHN) Zonal 3.5
104. Bu Xiangzhi (CHN) Zonal 3.5
105. Zhao Zong-Yuan (AUS) Zonal 3.6
106. Ziaur Rahman (BAN) Zonal 3.2
107. S. Megaranto (INA) Zonal 3.3
108. M. Paragua (PHI) Zonal 3.3
109. P. Negi (IND) Zonal 3.7
110. (…to be announced…)
111. (…to be announced…)
112. (…to be announced…)

i) 6 players from Africa
113. M. Kaabi (TUN) Zonal 4.1
114. H. Ibrahim (EGY) Zonal 4.2
115. R. Gwaze (ZIM) Zonal 4.3
116. (…to be announced…)
117. (…to be announced…)
118. (…to be announced…)

j) 6 nominees of the FIDE President
119. (…to be announced…)
120. (…to be announced…)
121. (…to be announced…)
122. (…to be announced…)
123. (…to be announced…)
124. (…to be announced…)

k) 4 nominees of the local Organising Committee
125. (…to be announced…)
126. (…to be announced…)
127. (…to be announced…)
128. (…to be announced…)

Total = 128 players

It was pointed out to us that Sebastien Feller, who was excluded from play for five years by the French Chess Federation, is still on this list. We asked FIDE about this and received the following reply:

At this point in time, we have not received any formal notification and corresponding information from the French Chess Federation regarding the ban of any players and any respective action would be accordingly decided by the FIDE's Ethics Commission.

Regards

Geoffrey Borg
CEO - FIDE

Makes sense. We've asked the French Chess Federation about this and are awaiting a reply.

A Foundation for Modernisation of FIDE will be founded

We've saved arguably the most interesting bit for last.

Kirsan Ilyumzhinov"The FIDE Presidential Board in Al Ain, United Arab Emirates, acclaimed the announcement of FIDE President, Kirsan Ilyumzhinov to set up a Foundation for Modernisation of FIDE which will be funded by private investment."

It's apparently a personal idea from the FIDE President: a commission will be reviewing the development of chess in recent years and propose

"new processes, procedures, regulations, events rating systems, chess in schools and generally reviewing all aspects related to the modernisation of FIDE and the chess world"

or more shortly: a hellofalot. The commission (or rather, as FIDE puts it, Commission) will consist of the usual suspects. Chairman: FIDE President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov; commission members: FIDE Deputy President Georgios Makropoulos, General Secretary Ignatius Leong, Continental President for Asia, Sheikh Sultan bin Khalifa Al Nayhan, Continental President for Europe Silvio Danailov, Vice President Ilya Levitov and Chief Executive Officer Geoffrey Borg. The first recommendations for changes are expected to be presented at the Executive Board in Krakow, Poland in October 2011.

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Janis Nisii's picture

He's young and plenty of time.

Janis Nisii's picture

I have an explanation for that! :D

gg's picture

Ok, I took for granted it was in 2012, I wonder when the previous deadline was if the new one is in July 2011, not much time to bid when the candidates finished so recently.

christos (greece)'s picture

It probably was until the end of June

gg's picture

Gelfand said after winning that four games was reasonable to show who was the strongest player, most of the participants haven't said anything after Kazan but before it they all supported the format.

Daaim Shabazz's picture

Good report Peter!

Chilsz's picture

Can someone tell me what the purpose is of the World Cup, since the candidates have been played already?

KingTal's picture

It`s for the next World Championship cycle.

jussu's picture

And it is just a competition.

waxmat's picture

From http://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/WorldCup2011Regulations.pdf

4. 1. The winner and the runner up of the World Cup 2011 will qualify to the Candidates stage of the World Championship cycle 2011-2013. If there is a 3rd place qualification, a match will be organized together, and with the same terms, with the final match of the World Cup to decide the 3rd place

But I still haven't figured out why or when a 3rd place qualification would occur (perhaps if the current World Champion is in the top 2?).

Chilsz's picture

Thanks!

gg's picture

FIDE tend to prolong the bidding deadlines many times, and if they already have reached July 31st 2012 I guess the title match hardly will be played until 2013.

ksr's picture

It is July and June 2011 and not 2012

gg's picture

Ok, I took for granted it was in 2012, I wonder when the previous deadline was if the new one is in July 2011, not much time to bid when the candidates finished so recently.

Thomas's picture

About the suggestion to have official FIDE live ratings: They certainly could do it, but would face a fundamental problem - FIDE caters to all players equally, not just the few (less than 1% of the total population) rated 2700 or above. And live ratings for everyone would be too much to ask or handle ... .

Stephen's picture

The volume of data wouldn't be a problem for most database systems. Even an ordinary PC would be able to do the calculations comfortably. I would assume that FIDE ratings department would have something a bit more powerful.

I guess that the biggest issue would be one of logistics. How to gather in the results of all the tournaments and have confidence that the results have been reported correctly. However, even this shouldn't be too difficult to achieve, if tournament directors could upload the results directly to FIDE over the internet in a standard manner the rest could be automated. I'd be surprised if they haven't already got this sorted.

If they haven't I would be quite happy to provide some consultancy !

help's picture

ChessVibes only suggested FIDE also do a live rating list of the 2700+ players.

Thomas's picture

I did read the article :) - my point was that FIDE doesn't, and indeed shouldn't distinguish between players rated above or below 2700. The reason why FIDE doesn't rate all events automatically and immediately (true, it would be a matter of the right software) might be: they reserve the right to investigate if certain games or entire events could be fake. I think this was even officially mentioned at some stage.

I agree with your points below, adding one thing: during an ongoing round robin event, your live rating can depend on the order of your opponents and, in double round robins, even on color sequence. During (what might be) the last edition of Linares in 2010, Topalov became live #1 for a few days after beating Grischuk with white, and fell back to #2 after losing against Grischuk with black. Of course the difference between Carlsen (2813) and Topalov (2812 after Linares, up to 2815 during Linares) was insignificant either way ... .

help's picture

As far as I'm concerned FIDE does not have to do a live list if they are going to do a monthly list.

The FIDE rating list can't be compared with an informal amateur live list in terms of the amount of work that goes into it. They have to track thousands of players and can't permit any mistakes.

Chess enthusiasts can still make a live list like they do now if they really want one. I don't really care if it's unofficial if FIDE is going to do an official monthly list. The difference between the two is going to be the one top tournament that is taking place between FIDE lists. It shouldn't be too hard to accurately track live rating changes in such a situation.

christos (greece)'s picture

I agree that a rating list every month is often enough.
On the other hand, the Association of Tennis Professionals publishes its list every Monday. This is also possible for chess.

waldemar's picture

...or unless FIDE will go straight to the blitz, which will save some time.

FIDE master X's picture

'A Foundation for Modernisation of FIDE will be founded...' what about a modernisation-rehabilitation of the head-officers? :-)) (that would do the job prety good,i am sure...)

help's picture

Exactly. The "Commission" is just the same old people that already are in FIDE. To me this just sounds like public relations bullshit.

Arne Moll's picture

FIDE doesn't lack "modern" ideas (anyone remember Ilyumzhinov's Ground Zero idea?), it lacks people willing to execute them and take responsibility for them. Sadly, nobody is in a position to hold them accountable in any measurable way.

Macauley's picture

Anand is a qualifier, that doesn't mean he's playing. Lots of qualifiers turn down their invitations.

Thomas's picture

Actually (I mentioned this before) Anand, Carlsen, Aronian and Kramnik will play the Botvinnik Memorial, a rapid event which overlaps with the World Cup - so I guess they will turn down their (other) invitation. They should be replaced by the next ones on the (averaged) rating list - I didn't check who that would be, one of them could be Caruana who isn't yet qualified. Gelfand also said that he won't defend his World Cup title, given that he already qualified (at least) for the next candidates event.

@Cheesus below: The German magazine "Schach" had an interview with Giri's coach Chuchelov, who mentioned that Giri hopes for a Dortmund invitation and a wild card spot for the World Cup. The first already happened, the second is still to be announced.

bayde's picture

Re: the "Foundation for the Modernisation of FIDE".. I guess that ChessLane and CNC are now as dead as FIDE Commerce International before it.

I just checked out their sites for the heck of it, and "Chess News Company"'s latest news is "29.10.10 - KIRSAN ILYUMZHINOV RE-ELECTED FOR FIDE PRESIDENCY!"

And so it goes.

Brein2000's picture

Maybe also very interesting is the recently published regulations of the
Candidates Matches of the FIDE World Championship cycle 2011-2013
You can find it at the FIDE website in the menu "FIDE" -> "Handbook" ->
D. Regulations for Specific Competitions
D.I. Cycle for the Individual World Championship
07. Rules & Regulations for the Candidates Matches of the FIDE World Championship cycle 2011-2013

Especially § 3.1. is surprising.

...They can't be serious!?

Peter Doggers's picture

For clarity's sake I'll put it up:
Matches Format & System A First Round of Matches (8 players)
a1 Matches System: The player who lost the World Championship Match 2012 (V. Anand or his challenger) is ranked No.1, the rest are ranked in rating order using the FIDE Rating List of January 2012. The players are paired the following way: 1 vs 8 (match 1), 2 vs 7 (match 2), 3 vs 6 (match 3), 4 vs 5 (match 4). Each match will consist of 4 games.
a2
B
The four (4) winners will qualify for the second round of the Candidate Matches.
Second Round of Matches (4 players)
b1 round of the Candidates Matches can only be replaced by the player he defeated in the first round of the Candidate Matches.
The Second Round of Matches will start 2 days after the end of the First Round. Any qualified player for the second
3. 2
Schedule of the Candidates Matches
b2 Matches System: The players are ranked according to the results of the first round of the Candidates Matches: winner of match 1 is No.1, winner of match 2 is No.2, winner of match 3 is No.3 and winner of match 4 is No.4. The players are paired the following way: 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3. Each match will consist of 4 games.
b3 C
The two (2) winners will qualify for the third round of the Candidate Matches.
Third Round of Matches (2 players)
The Third Round of Matches will start 2 days after the end of the Second Round. Any qualified player for the third round
c1 of the Candidates Matches can only be replaced by the player he defeated in the second round of the Candidates Matches.
c2 Matches System: The match between the two players will consist of 6 games. c3 The winner will qualify for the World Championship Match 2013.

It's not much different than this cycle's, or am I missing something?

Brein2000's picture

No, it is't different. You aren't missing something. That's the point.
And that would also explain why FIDE didn't mention this topic at all in their Presidential Board summary.
But as it is newly added to the FIDE handbook I'm afraid it isn't simply an "old version" that will be fixed soon.
Emil Sutovsky recently sent a questionnaire to the top 20 chess players,
asking for their opinion on future World Championship cycles.
So either FIDE ignored it/them,
or the majority of the players voted to retain the current format.
Why should they do so?
Well, I think that Carlsen, Kramnik, Topalow (and Aronian) didn't,
but concerning the others I'm not sure
as in a more random format weaker players as well as good Blitz players have better chances.
And FIDE welcomed it as they like to have a constantly changing (and thus in a way "weaker") World Champion, which is likely to happen soon as Anand is not the youngest any more.

I really hope that I'm missing something. ;)

gg's picture

The most popular thing FIDE have done in many years was introducing the knockout candidates, and even though it meant changing the rules of the ongoing cycle the knockout format got much support from both public and players. The few players that complained about it were severely criticised. After Kazan one or two players that failed have been more critical but those that did well continue to support it. Obviously lower ranked players will be even more positive since the format is very surprise friendly, so it's hard to see any reason for FIDE to make any changes. Unless they will make it "matches" of two games instead of four in the future.

mamesucks's picture

This is factually incorrect. All players complained about it including those that did well (grischuk made a point of having his opinion known before he lost so it didn't look like sour grapes).

Philugo's picture

Good, McShane is french player Now :-)

71. L. McShane (FRA) 2011

Jamesmatt's picture

Doesn't matter, he's not playing as he's got a job again and has given up professional chess.....................................:(

Zeblakob's picture

When I read FIDE announcements I have the feeling to be very idiot : I understand nothing.
What is the purpose of the world cup since Anand iz participating? I conclude that the world cup iz just a competition. Ohhhh thank you Jussu.

Henk de Jager's picture

@Thomas: The 1% rated 2700 or above? lol. And why couldn´t FIDE publish live ratings and still ,,cater to al players". The ATP does so for (professional) tennis players and do one complains there. It´s just a fun little statistic.

SoThirsty's picture

Live ratings are hairy. Player A with 2720 beats Player B with 2720, gaining a smooth 5 points... EXCEPT, player B didn't actually have 2720 as a portion of this rating was based on results against some players who had lost a bunch of points in a tournament that hadn't been rated in time due to some mishap. So now the effects of that delay is cascading all over the so-called "live" ratings - a decimal here, a full point there... Seeing as we live in a world where mistakes happen, it just becomes unnecessarily messy.

Cheesus's picture

It would be a crime not to include Anish Giri in this event. He is already rated over 2700 on live ratings.

Brian Wall's picture

Kazan was a public relations disaster and everyone is screaming for change. I don't mind Gelfand winning, I always liked him, just more Classical Chess and less Rapid please. We don't want cheap thrills, we want to find the most deserving challenger.

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