R6: Carlsen alleen aan kop
After a one minute silence to remember Bobby Fischer, round 6 has started. Kramnik and Aronian are playing the semi-slav and still following Radjabov-Anand Mainz 2006.
Gelfand and van Wely played a quick draw. All other boards looks to be very interesting and it seems Kramnik has to think for the first time on move 28!
update 16:40
Anand-Ivanchuk did not reach move twenty. According to Ivanchuk the position was more or less equal. Radjabov did not achieve much in the Exchange Variation of the Ruy Lopez. Carlsen seems to be collecting another point to get on top alone. Two pawns should be sufficient to bring a decision soon. Aronian had defended magnificently although he had to make 6 moves in less than 3 minutes. It looks like he has reached a draw endgame.
Update 22:25
Due to Fischer’s death, there was actually less time than normal to actually look at the Corus games today. A short summary this time. Carlsen is the big hero of course, leading the field with a half point clear after he beat Polgar today. Kramnik eventually won a drawn f and h rook ending against Aronian but wasn’t happy when he left. He knew he had screwed up before and had scored the full point mainly because Aronian ran out of time. Topalov is back, after a fine victory with Black against Leko.
| Grandmastergroup A L. van Wely - B. Gelfand ½-½ P. Leko - V. Topalov 0-1 M. Carlsen - J. Polgar 1-0 V. Anand - V. Ivanchuk ½-½ V. Kramnik - L. Aronian T. Radjabov - M. Adams ½-½ S. Mamedyarov - P. Eljanov ½-½ |
Grandmastergroup B N. Short - G. Sargissian 1-0 I. Cheparinov - H. Koneru ½-½ M. Krasenkow - E. L’Ami 1-0 E. Bacrot - I. Nepomniachtchi ½-½ P. Harikrishna - J. Smeets 0-1 Y. Hou - S. Movsesian 0-1 D. Stellwagen - W. Spoelman 1-0 |
Grandmastergroup C I. Krush - F. Caruana 1-0 P. Carlsson - E. Grivas ½-½ A. Braun - D. Reinderman ½-½ J. van der Wiel - D. Ruijgrok ½-½ S. Li - M. van der Werf 0-1 A. Ushenina - Z. Peng 1-0 F. Nijboer - P. Negi 1-0 |
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Incredibly deep preparation by Kramnik!
It might be the 34.Bg4 wasn’t not a precise move… Don’t you think 34.Rae1 was better for Kramnik?
Amazingly, after the “elementary drawn” position in Radjabov-Van Wely with white the exchange down, we now have a similar “elementary drawn” position with black two pawns down. Let’s see whether Aronian will manage to salvage the draw equally convincing as Radjabov did…
Actually the position in Radjabov-Van Wely game wasn’t “elementary drawnâ€?, but rather tricky to win, as it was shown in the (Majelis?) analysis which Peter attached to the game post some times ago…
Incredible examinator!
Yeah, but this is a theoretical draw you’d expect someone like Aronian to know…
Aronian lost another drawn rook endgame, more basic than this one, a while ago (maybe against Carlsen?). Obviously not his strength.
The B vs. R endgame in Radjabov-van Wely was always drawn, Vosuram - check with the tablebases.
Vosuram, the dvoretsky endgame is *not* the same endgame as in the radja game.
i remember which aronian rook endgame disaster i witnessed not long ago: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1462325
Incredibly deep preparation by kramnik, in other words, incredibly that he tries to memorize everyting, but he do not create anything.
If you do not enjoy chess, but need just rezult, play like kramnik, try to memorize everyting, play draw engame and whait untill your oponent run out of time, if your opponent is stronger, exchange pieces as fast as possible, like kramnik. And never do not take any risks, just whait unlit your oponent make a mistake.
All these tricks you can learn by watching kramnik games.
@ Joram:
“Time trouble is no excuse”
LOL, have you ever been in timetrouble yourself?
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Did he say something inacceptable for the site maintainers, Peter
All posts of Vosuram had been blocked after the following post:
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Did he say something inacceptable for the site maintainers, Peter
Ofcourse Kramnik had all the rights to play on Aronian’s time trouble, but it was an unworthy ending to the game:
- Kramnik’s ‘novelty’ 25.Bc3 was a computer find - Rybka sees it in seconds
- Aronian had been defending with his own brain since that move
- Kramnik screwed up badly by exchanging queens and ending up in a theoretical tablebase draw position
- Aronian showed for many moves that he knew how to defend this endgame, only to loose track with seconds on the clock.
Bottom line: for the last phase of the game, the Corus organizers should introduce a 20′ time increase per move to prevent these kind of situations.
Unworthy ending of the game.
Corus should introduce 10′ or 20′ increment for time trouble phase.
You might be right, Joram, although Aronian had probably little more than 30 seconds to make this critical decision (maybe too little to fully grasp the situation but enough to see lots of losing variations after grabbing the pawn). But on the other hand Radjabov-Van Wely demonstrated that top class players know and understand at least some elementary positions very well…
Aronian WON an elementary endgame (More ‘elementary’ than his endgame today) against Carlsen.
Elementary or not - this endgame is incredibly hard to defend even for a world class player.
Dear Coco Loco,
can you please reexamine http://www.chessvibes.com/partijen/corus2008/dvoretsky.htm ?
Im sure its very hard to just defend and defend for 50 moves…and with basicly just 30 secs per move when the time starts to run out for you. And you are tired and have been playing for 6 hours already…but still you should be able to draw it if you want to compete with the best of the best. I guess what is worse is that when the other players see someone fail defending drawn endgames, you will have a hard time getting early draws in drawn positions because they will try their luck on you too, and they will be right doing so.
A question, do chess players in the top see it as sort of bad ethics to always play out a theoreticly drawn position? Maybe people get annoyed if you do it always, it is very tiresome after all, so are there silent agreements among some to not do it maybe? You scratch my back, I scratch yours sort of thing, since most would benefit from that simply because it is just tiresome and can maybe ruin a tournament because you cant recover in time for next game.
Vosuram I borrowed the term “elementary” from GM Marin, who exentensively analysed the Radjabov-Van Wely endgame. Radjabov was put severly to the test by Van Wely, but he passed the exam with flying colours, see:
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4384
Unfortunately Aronian succumbed, but the practical chances in a drawn-2-pawns-down-rook-ending are always excellent for the stronger side (in particular versus the king of grinding himself, of course).
Dear Bert de Bruut,
I had a look at the link you provided. I agree, Radja moved timely his king out of the corner and thus escaped…
Dear Xtra,
do you mean as soon as it’s decided that the initial position is drawn in general, we have to stop playing chess
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I understand that Aronian was under a lot of pressure after having to defend a difficult position for such a long time. What I do not understand at all is his 77th move. When playing through the game I couldn’t believe my eyes. Black can just take h6 to reach a very easy elementary drawn rook endgame with f-pawn. Time trouble is no excuse, it’s the most logical move and easy to see that the resulting endgame is drawn. Once more Dvoretsky’s statement that many world class players do not know their stuff in the simplest of endgames is being confirmed… Surely, after Aronian’s move it’s still a draw, but resulting endgame with f-pawn is so elementary that a player of his class should be able to dream it…