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		<title>By: Castro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Castro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Thomas

Just one example (of hundreds, I think).
There is a famous Lasker study, from a game of his against Capablanca.

(In my liberal notion of chess study, I myself have produced a couple of worthy studies from games, let alone others presenting me their own produtions :-) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Thomas</p>
<p>Just one example (of hundreds, I think).<br />
There is a famous Lasker study, from a game of his against Capablanca.</p>
<p>(In my liberal notion of chess study, I myself have produced a couple of worthy studies from games, let alone others presenting me their own produtions <img src='http://www.chessvibes.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>By: JustBe</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustBe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is the line of Amber site wrong?

I guess 

1. Rg1 - Kf3 2. Ke6 Kxe4 3. Rxg2 d5+ 4. Kd7 - Rxb5

is winning for black?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is the line of Amber site wrong?</p>
<p>I guess </p>
<p>1. Rg1 &#8211; Kf3 2. Ke6 Kxe4 3. Rxg2 d5+ 4. Kd7 &#8211; Rxb5</p>
<p>is winning for black?</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it rather irrelevant if the position is an endgame study, an endgame exercise or a study-like position from an actual game? There were game continuations resembling known (previously published) studies, and even studies composed based on what had happened in a game - can anyone come up with examples I might have in mind, but don&#039;t remember? :)

The important point is: looking at and maybe solving endgame studies can help you in games played over the board - the very reason why endgame studies are the only problems that attract my attention.

And yes, congrats Peter - methree/four/five ... . Arne has a point: GMs don&#039;t take comments by weakies seriously because too many of them (us?) are very quick in commenting on and criticising their (GM) games and moves while lacking in-depth chess understanding - see also examples in this and other chess forums!? But this doesn&#039;t mean that they are ALWAYS wrong .... .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it rather irrelevant if the position is an endgame study, an endgame exercise or a study-like position from an actual game? There were game continuations resembling known (previously published) studies, and even studies composed based on what had happened in a game &#8211; can anyone come up with examples I might have in mind, but don&#8217;t remember? <img src='http://www.chessvibes.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The important point is: looking at and maybe solving endgame studies can help you in games played over the board &#8211; the very reason why endgame studies are the only problems that attract my attention.</p>
<p>And yes, congrats Peter &#8211; methree/four/five &#8230; . Arne has a point: GMs don&#8217;t take comments by weakies seriously because too many of them (us?) are very quick in commenting on and criticising their (GM) games and moves while lacking in-depth chess understanding &#8211; see also examples in this and other chess forums!? But this doesn&#8217;t mean that they are ALWAYS wrong &#8230;. .</p>
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		<title>By: Castro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Castro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 02:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Arne

&quot;strong players become especially dogmatic in the presence of weak players, because the weakies tend to be wrong almost any they open their mouth&quot;

Very true! When I begun reading Peter&#039;s text, an image of him and Ljubo imediately formed in my mind, and Ljubo was precisely commiting that crime :-)

@udayb

Yes, I thought you were supported by something, not &quot;wrong&quot; in all senses. But it happens I&#039;m in chess for a long time, and I have a, say, more liberal view.
The process of recognizing a nice puzzle on some (otherwise undistiguished) position is, by itself, creation. And so, at least for me and for every people I know, that puzzle then become imediatly a study (or a problem, if it goes &quot;mate in x moves&quot;).
But ok, maybe you&#039;re right that, formaly, the International Comission of Chess Composition (or whatever is the name, I don&#039;t remember) may have studies out of actual games forbiden, for their formal recognition.
I&#039;d say it&#039;s strange, but as you say that, and as I&#039;m not going to confirm now, I must admit as plausible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Arne</p>
<p>&#8220;strong players become especially dogmatic in the presence of weak players, because the weakies tend to be wrong almost any they open their mouth&#8221;</p>
<p>Very true! When I begun reading Peter&#8217;s text, an image of him and Ljubo imediately formed in my mind, and Ljubo was precisely commiting that crime <img src='http://www.chessvibes.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@udayb</p>
<p>Yes, I thought you were supported by something, not &#8220;wrong&#8221; in all senses. But it happens I&#8217;m in chess for a long time, and I have a, say, more liberal view.<br />
The process of recognizing a nice puzzle on some (otherwise undistiguished) position is, by itself, creation. And so, at least for me and for every people I know, that puzzle then become imediatly a study (or a problem, if it goes &#8220;mate in x moves&#8221;).<br />
But ok, maybe you&#8217;re right that, formaly, the International Comission of Chess Composition (or whatever is the name, I don&#8217;t remember) may have studies out of actual games forbiden, for their formal recognition.<br />
I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s strange, but as you say that, and as I&#8217;m not going to confirm now, I must admit as plausible.</p>
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		<title>By: udayb</title>
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		<dc:creator>udayb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Castro

According to Wikipedia, &quot;An endgame study, or just study, is a composed chess position — that is, one that has been made up rather than one from an actual game&quot;. 

For more details, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame_study

Great work by Peter, congratulations to him again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Castro</p>
<p>According to Wikipedia, &#8220;An endgame study, or just study, is a composed chess position — that is, one that has been made up rather than one from an actual game&#8221;. </p>
<p>For more details, see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame_study" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame_study</a></p>
<p>Great work by Peter, congratulations to him again.</p>
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		<title>By: Arne Moll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arne Moll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Castro, good points, although I am inclined to think the answer is much more prosaic: strong players become especially dogmatic in the presence of weak players, because the weakies tend to be wrong almost any they open their mouth: it just happens so rarely that a weak player spots an interesting, let alone correctly-worked out idea, that&#039;s it&#039;s simply not worth it to take it seriously - on principle! And it&#039;s very nice to see this principle being demolished for once :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Castro, good points, although I am inclined to think the answer is much more prosaic: strong players become especially dogmatic in the presence of weak players, because the weakies tend to be wrong almost any they open their mouth: it just happens so rarely that a weak player spots an interesting, let alone correctly-worked out idea, that&#8217;s it&#8217;s simply not worth it to take it seriously &#8211; on principle! And it&#8217;s very nice to see this principle being demolished for once <img src='http://www.chessvibes.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Castro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Castro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@udayb

Unless you define study as something not related to an actual game, or something published as a study, with author&#039;s name and year of creation, of course it is a study. For me it is a chess study. Someone shows me a chess puzzle of &quot;white (or black) to play and win (or draw)&quot;. It&#039;s a study.

Congratulations to Peter, and yes, Arne, it is always interesting, but two things are constantelly (lots of times everyday, in fact) happening:
1. Great players being dogmatic (otherwise they were perfect, everybody has to lean on some dogma. Progress is just dogma breaking and adoption)
2. Not so great players finding things that are escaping great players.
&quot;Of course everyone of us is a genius when finding a new idea, or breaking a dogma. Even if it is just new for him&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@udayb</p>
<p>Unless you define study as something not related to an actual game, or something published as a study, with author&#8217;s name and year of creation, of course it is a study. For me it is a chess study. Someone shows me a chess puzzle of &#8220;white (or black) to play and win (or draw)&#8221;. It&#8217;s a study.</p>
<p>Congratulations to Peter, and yes, Arne, it is always interesting, but two things are constantelly (lots of times everyday, in fact) happening:<br />
1. Great players being dogmatic (otherwise they were perfect, everybody has to lean on some dogma. Progress is just dogma breaking and adoption)<br />
2. Not so great players finding things that are escaping great players.<br />
&#8220;Of course everyone of us is a genius when finding a new idea, or breaking a dogma. Even if it is just new for him&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, have you seen Chessbase has a diagram too there? But they don&#039;t mention the drawing line, apparently avoiding that it comes from Peter, silly rivalry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, have you seen Chessbase has a diagram too there? But they don&#8217;t mention the drawing line, apparently avoiding that it comes from Peter, silly rivalry!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Doggers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Doggers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed; I&#039;ve mentioned that to the author of the reports this morning but he&#039;s also enjoying a well-deserved rest day at the moment. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed; I&#8217;ve mentioned that to the author of the reports this morning but he&#8217;s also enjoying a well-deserved rest day at the moment. <img src='http://www.chessvibes.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: j.muller</title>
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		<dc:creator>j.muller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The line given at the official site does not seem to make a draw at all.</description>
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